Tuesday was Australia’s hottest day on record sayth the Bureau of Meteorology.
And perhaps it was. But look at the temperatures reported in newspapers across the country during the month of January in 1896 when people were going mad with axes, dropping dead in coaches and railway stations and birds were falling lifeless from the trees? Emergency trains were ferrying people from the country to the mountains. Panic stricken people fled the outback on special trains and the death toll was in the hundreds.
Fifty years later scientists would publish papers talking about how Australian summers had cooled since then.
How does the BOM know for sure that it was not hotter on any one of these days? Perhaps they don’t. Wouldn’t it be more honest of the BOM to mention that? It’s not like billions of dollars depends upon it…
Seems the only time the ABC or BOM suddenly discover our historic weather records is when we get unseasonal snow or freezing cold.
 See below for the links to the newspaper stories for all of these temperatures (Click to enlarge the map) |
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The heatwave started in the West on Jan 1st and travelled eastwards, as most heatwaves do. The hottest day was possibly Jan 23 or 24 in 1896 which is when most of the Eastern States maximum temperatures shown above were recorded. And there are hints that this was both widespread and long — some of these towns recorded three long weeks of ultra high temperatures close to and over 110F (43.3C) like Nannine in WA (near Meekatharra) and Cunnamulla in Qld. Both reported peaks as high as 120F (48.8C). In Bourke temperatures were above 102F (38.9C) for 24 days in a row.
The BOM will say things were not entirely standardized or approved back then. But why would they care? Many of the BOM’s current sites fail their own standards: thermometers may sit for 30 years over bitumen, or right next to incinerators. They plough around sites, move them, build walls next to them and forget, even next to their own offices. The BOM accept one-second records from new electronic gizmo’s in small screens, and adjust old temperatures down by as much as two whole degrees. Sometimes modern BOM sites need mysterious calendar monthly corrections, or get corrected by thermometers across the Bass Strait, and sometimes they are incredibly detailed but repeat robotically year after year. Remember those temperature maps of our deserts in WWI? There are sites where there are no thermometers which record exactly the same temperatures as they did the year before (and the year after). Just “made up”? The hottest day ever recorded was probably calculated with maps like that.
The BOM can hardly be precious about scientific standards 130 years ago when they have so few themselves today.
And let’s not forget that in 1896 thermometers were nearly a 200 year old technology*. There was not much in the way of urban heat island effects — no airports, no five lane super highways, small populations, and some of these temperatures come from trained expert observatories. And let’s not forget either, as we just discovered, that there’s been no change in Very Hot Days in Australia since World War I (at least until the BOM adjusted them).
Here are the links to the hot days that were recorded but don’t exist
History down the memory hole: Links go to the newspaper article of the day
Geraldton W.A. Wednesday, 1 Jan 1896 – 114° F “
at Geraldton observatory“.
Geraldton W.A. Thursday, 2 Jan – 115° F “
A child succumbs to the heat. ” at “
Northampton, where the thermometer ranged even higher than at Geraldton.”
Geraldton W.A. Friday, 3 Jan – 125° F most papers,
115° F in some (possibly a date error as it matches the previous day).
Perth W.A. 3 Jan – 112° F
” Five deaths have been reported in the city on account of the great heat.”
Mullewa W.A. 3 Jan – 121° F “
The town has been enveloped in clouds of dust.”and “crowds of people have bad to sleep out of doors. Water is very scarce.”
Carnarvon W.A. 3 Jan – 121° F Brick House station “
It is farther reported that the mercury has been up as high as 125 in the shade there.”
Pinjarrah W.A. 3 Jan – 114° F followed by a minimum of 97° F.
Southern Cross W.A. Week ending 5 Jan – ”
averaged 115deg.” “
It has often been as high as 122deg.” Mr Mkay died in his office chair of heat apoplexy.
Cue W.A. Sunday, 5 Jan – ”
Three weeks of uninterrupted excesive heat“ ”
each day exceeded 105“ ”
on two occasions reaching 118.“
Wilcannia N.S.W. Monday, 6 Jan – 117° F “
Wyalong follows close with 114°. Then come Nowra and Corowa with 112.”
Isisford Qld. 6 Jan – 112° F ”
The Government Astronomer states that the high temperature has been caused by a heat wave which has come across the continent from Port Darwin,“.
Bourke N.S.W. 6 Jan – ”
The fact is that out of 93 weather telegrams sent in, 64 gave temperatures ranging from 100° at Cooma, Tabulam, Tenterfield, and a few other places, up to 118° in the shade recorded at Brewarrina and at Bourke. There were 22 stations which reported temperatures ranging from 110° to 118° inclusive.“
Canowindra N.S.W. 6 Jan – 114° F “
Reaching the highest point on record“.
Farina S.A. 6 Jan – 113.5° F “
the place occupied by the thermometer being a shadebox such as is used at the Adelaide Observatory.“
Ungarie N.S.W 6 Jan – 125° F “
rural districts do not always recognise the nice distinctions between true shade and other shade.”
Farina S.A. Thursday, 9 Jan – 112.3° F
Quirindi N.S.W. Monday, 13 Jan – 120° F. Out of 54 temperatures shown on that list only one does not meet the 95° F (35° C) heatwave threshold.
Bulli N.S.W. 13 Jan – 115° F “
This has been, the hottest day known“.
Kiama N.S.W. 13 Jan – 117° F ”
A Scorcher Everywhere. Death and Distress.“
Parramatta N.S.W. 13 Jan – 111 ° F “
Fruit Broiled on the Trees.” “
Birds and Animals Drop Dead.”
Camden N.S.W. Tuesday, 14 Jan – 123°F ”
Great Heat Wave ” “
LIST OF CASUALTIES.”
Araluen N.S.W. Friday, 17 Jan – 110° F “
It was thought that the heat had passed, but it was back again to-day“
Brewarrina N.S.W 17 Jan – 122° F “125 deaths attributable to heat apoplexy” (Sydney).
West Wyalong N.S.W 17 Jan – 114° F “
The thermometer at the post office“.
Nannine W.A. Saturday, Jan 18 – ”
After about three weeks of most oppressive heat, with the thermometer frequently registering 120deg. in the shade, the weather has broken.”
Farina S.A. Tuesday, Jan 21 – 112.3° F “
Old residents say this is the hottest summer they have ever experienced.”
Broken Hill N.S.W. Wednesday, Jan 22 – 113½° F ”
Two horses dropped dead in the street from the effects of the heat.“
Farina S.A. 22 Jan – 113° F “
The temperature of our police cell was 148° several times.”
Charleville or
Cunnamulla QLD. 22 Jan – 120.5 ° F (116 °F official ) “
The average daily temperature from the 1st instant exceeded 114 degrees.” 25 days!!
Olary S.A. Thursday, 23 Jan – 116° F “
and dust flying in clouds during the afternoon.”
Adelaide S.A. 23 Jan – 111° F
“Herbert Crown, an ostler at the Langham Hotel, fell down in King William-street this afternoon with sunstroke.”
Swan Hill Vic 23 Jan – 116° F
“To-day, it is again exceedingly oppressive”.
Farina S.A. 23 Jan – 114.3° F “
Five deaths have occurred in the town and one outside“.
Mildura Vic 23 Jan – 120° F “
PHENOMENAL HEAT IN VICTORIA.“
Broken Hill 23 Jan – 115° F “
Dr Enill took the temperature of the body an hour and a hall after death, and found that it was 109¾ .”
Halbury S.A. 23 Jan – 118° F “
Many children are unwell, and it will go hard with them unless a change soon, comes.”.
Rapanyup Vic 23 Jan – 113° F “
To-day it is again exceedingly oppressive“.
Natimuk Vic 23 Jan – 115° F ”
Telegrams from the country districts show that the heat was general throughout the colony.”(Victoria).
Bega N.S.W. 23 Jan – 113° F “
The minimum heat during last night was 73 . To-day the heat was terrific In the true shade the reading was 113 at 2pm“.
Geelong Vic 23 Jan – 110° F ”
Largely due to a burning north-west wind.“
Hergott Springs S.A. 23 Jan “
On three different days it showed 118° and three times 116°, the average for the last month having been 113°F. “
Grenfell and Ivanhoe N.S.W. 23 Jan – 122 ° F “
At Ivanhoe the heat was so intense that the mail horses fell dead on the road.”
Charleville / Cunnamulla QLD. Friday, 24 Jan – 126/5° F “
The official readings at the Post Office are lower; but the instruments used are placed in a thickly-planted garden which has been heavily irrigated during the last week,” So at which town was this garden and non stevenson screen recording? The clue is in the name “Grosvenor”
here.
Cunnamulla QLD 24 Jan – ”
The official record showed a reading on Tuesday of 111 degs. in the shade, on Wednesday 116 degs., and to-day 117 degs. On Wednesday at midnight, the high temperature of 99 degs. was recorded.”
Isisford QLD 24 Jan – “
The thermometer on Monday rose to 114 degs., on Tuesday to 112 degs., on “Wednesday 115 degs., and to-day 118 degs. The country is very bare and the water is giving out fast.”
Wilcannia N.S.W 24 Jan – 123° F “not a breath of wind was stirring during the night”.
Hillston N.S.W. 24 Jan- 115° F “
Anything under 110 is now beginning to be looked upon as contemptibly cool.”
Wilcannia N.S.W. Saturday, 25 Jan – 120° F “
The thermometer fell 50deg. at Wilcannia, but a death from sunstroke occurred there yesterday.”
Plus
125°F at Middle camp station
Netely (Perhaps 160 kilometres south-east of Broken Hill).
121°F at
Namagee N.S.W. “
There is no appearance of a change“.
There are even more extreme examples listed in the original 1896 post, like Berlino 130F, which ““hangs on a stone house with a thickly thatched verandah facing West” … “never reached by the sun“. Instead, these seemed like the more reliable estimates.
Thanks to Chris Gillham, Lance Pidgeon, Ken Stewart, Warwick Hughes, and all the BOM audit team. So much more still to come. Thank you!
* Was 300 years.
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From the hill in Newcastle last night the smoke pall covered everything out west from Singleton to Sydney.
A few days ago I drove inland, from Novocastria, forty miles inland to The Big W.
At the coast the car registered 25°C, a very mild day, if you ignored the smoke haze.
At the Big W the temperature was 34°C and the smoke out west provided a magic red sunset. Locals were a bit grim as is understandable when you are living a government created nightmare.
We Must expect better from our councils and state and federal governments when the bureaucracies at every level fail to protect us and the environment.
Fix this.
KK
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Sorry KK. Small screen and big thumbs gave you the red thumb.
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That’s O.K.
But I will remember.
🙂
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Now I remember.
A day or two later the BOM predicted a “scorching” maximum of 43°C. That remained on screen and highlighted scorching red all day. Any innocent visiting the site may have mistaken it for the real max.
The real max turned out to be about 39.6°C.
What they’re doing is so transparent it’s beyond belief that any competent government would put up with it.
Their ABCCCC and BOMRPO working hand in hand to create a mythical heatwave.
What did this hype cost taxpayers. Did investors in renewables profit in any way.
KK
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Jo thanks for this Post !
It’s important and needed
For all Australians
So we can see through
The BOM’s alarmist scary nonsense !
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ditto from me Jo.
I can’t wait for the RC into BOM data or equivalent expose a’ la WestPac dodgy cash transactions to expose just how fractured BOM’s scientific integrity is.
It is utterly bizarre from a data integrity point of view that their temperature data be accurate and reliable yet clearly some of their cross referencing, ‘normalisation’ and ‘adjustment’ pracises are quite bizarre from any objective point of view.
I won’t hold my breath but I can go to sleep dreaming of a white Christmas and the sheer joy of watching Pauline Hanson on Boxing Day rip BOM to shreds with one of her PLEASE EXPLAIN !! demands.
On that note, thankyou for this year’s work on the site, have a very merry and convivial Christmas ( hope the drinkies went well) and all the best for 2020. May it bring us a big budget surplus here due to massive coal and iron ore sales, Trump re-elected, no bullshit Brexit quickly delivered, a FTA between us and the UK and that China and India just tell the IPCC to produce compelling evidence or piss off and get real.
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The article is very good — real science.
After 22 years of reading climate science articles and studies, as a hobby, I have to admit this article is one of the best ever at detailing climate science fraud
But needs a few revisions to make it a little better !
You did all the work … and I do all the nitpicking !
P rhaps a better title:
“Australia just had the hottest day on record … if you ignore the 19th century ! ”
(1) Maybe I missed this … but …
The article should START with the recent BOM claim: “Australia has experienced its hottest day on record with the national average temperature reaching a high of 40.9C (105.6F).” “The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) said “extensive” heat on Tuesday exceeded the previous record of 40.3C set on 7 January 2013.”
(2) For easier reading:
It would be easier to follow if ALL temperatures were C., or F., but not both.
(3) For easier reading:
The claimed record on Tuesday should be highlighted in yellow, and in red “ink”, then all temperatures ABOVE the claimed record should be highlighted in yellow, and in red “ink”
(4) 1800’s thermometer accuracy comment:
The lack of accuracy of 1800s thermometers — thermometers in that century tended to read LOW when compared with modern thermometers (which most likely caused official global warming claims since 1880 to be overstated).
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I just love how Indigenous peoples survived for some 60 000 years (including through numerous mega-droughts) but are now most likely to become ‘climate refugees’ as it has gotten too hot!
Sadly – All this climate porn is less about the afflicted than the addicted.
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Except it’s not about climate.
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It was decided several days ago that it was going to be a record – pre-announced on the BBC etc.
In the absence of any significant individual maximum daily records – which is the normal way the media screams ‘hottest day evah’ – it looks like they have had to cobble an ‘average maximum for the whole country’ using some inventive/opaque data torture/crunching.
If ‘evah’ means with the same set of stations, using the same instruments, in the exact same situation/state of repair/environs, how long is evah?
Presumably satellite data will more reliably confirm or deny this record, since at least 1979 anyway.
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About 10-15 years, based on the rollout of digital sensors.
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1 lap of the bowl
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You’re forgetting that well known modelling maxim
“If in doubt leave it out”
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That would leave BOM having to excuse themselves from most output every day, especially anything to do with maximum temperatures.
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It was 43.1℃ on Tuesday, 43.7℃ on Wednesday.
I hear that Melbourne 23.5℃ and 26℃ and Sydney had 24.1℃ for both days. Hardly a heatwave across Aust.
Adelaide will be hot today and tomorrow (44℃ predicted, and 45℃) before a cool change arrives and leaves the temperature below 35℃ until Dec.25. The forecast for Melbourne is one hot day on Saturday the 21ST.
Sydney also expects a hot day today (19) but 26℃ tomorrow then mostly below 27℃ (except 34℃ on Sat.) forecast until Christmas. Why the hysteria?
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If you are going to rely upon satellite data you had better understand what those satellites are measuring, and WHO has their grubby hands all over the data before it gets published!
I have been researching information about those instruments and it is a minefield of pseudo-scientific speak. One comes across terms like ‘Temporal resolution’ and ‘because clouds are opaque’. Not much by the way of real information at the NOAA sites, a little more at the sites of the people who make the instruments, but overall a woefully inadequate to attempt a peer review.
All the data manipulation and interpretations are done on the ground, by several super computers in several locations.
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Grim McNasty
Our planet has been in a warming trend since the 1690s.
All the real time temperature data we have were collected DURING that warming trend.
Record highs SHOULD BE EXPECTED until that warming trend ends.
Real news would be a few years with NO record highs.
After the current warming trend ends, a cooling trend will begin, with no more “record highs” for a while.
Ice core studies have shown that EVERY warming trend in the past 500,000 years was followed by a cooling trend.
Climate alarmists would have us believe the planet ONLY gets warmer !
They completely ignore the fact that about 90% of the past 500,000 years was a cold climate, while about 10% was a warm climate, called interglacials.
There are mild climate trends, warming and cooling DURING interglacials.
There have been mild warming and cooling trends during our current Holocene interglacial
When our interglacial ends, which could be next year, or in 1,000 years, people will look back at today as the climate good old days.
Our present climate is the best it has been, for humans, since the beginning of the Little Ice Age centuries, 800 to 1,000 years ago.
The climate of our planet does not get much better than it is today, for humans, and outdoors animals, yet smarmy leftists will not let us enjoy it.
Our planet supports the most life when it is warm, with lot’s of CO2 in the air.
Real record highs (not BOM lies) should be celebrated — real record highs mean our planet is still getting warmer (since the 1690s) — the only other choice is getting colder, and people generally don’y like that
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🙂 🙂
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Censorship at the Australian. Before I read your article Jo I had commented on the Australian as follows.
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You have to wonder why such an emphasis. If you do a web search for hottest day on record you get a hit in Trove. These are digitised newspapers from the past. What it states is on 10 January 1939 Adelaide was 47.2°C. Melbourne 45°C, the Mallee in Victoria 49.4°C and so on. One has to wonder why the bureau is doing this I thought its charter was to give a sober record of the weather. Not to promote sensationalist statements which are grist for the mill for those that wish to alarm the population. How far back to they go with the records and how do they avoid cherry picking with this?
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Usually my comments are accepted there but there are things you cannot write and it seems this is one of them. I really don’t get it why. I resubmitted it with only the first three sentences I wondered if they would accept that. They did so no criticism of the BOM thank you very much.
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Well no surprise, really…no criticism of the chief data distoters is allowed, Comrade…we at the Ministry of Truth take everyones wellbeing seriously…..anything that upsets the Supreme Soviet is not allowed….
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Somewhat related – the ABC suddenly discovers “Urban Heat Islands” when it relates to people sweltering on Summer days. I wonder if they’ll make the connection to BoM sites… not holding my breath.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-19/urban-heat-islands-impacting-australias-most-vulnerable/11811274
Urban heat is a “killer.”
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One of the dopiest of the dopey in climate séance is our Joelle. A sad history of failed acadème and retracts.Good enough for a go to for the ABC. Still, it’s good she is reading history.
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Climate Séance.
I like that.
Says it all.
Perfect.
And Joelle is perfect as a séantist.
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Curious how there are ‘lots’ of them in Adelaide…
My simple minded thinking is that Adelaide is one BIG hot urban heat Island !
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The curious thing is that this article
Does not mention Climate Change !
Wow ? How did that happen ?
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The censorship of the BOM at the Oz reminds me of the way a certain incident in Cairns on December 19th 2014 is now quietly forgotten by the media.
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Dr Joëlle Gergis, a climate scientist at the University of Melbourne;
“the further back you look the further forward you can see”.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/09/30/3026104.htm
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Climate science obviously confers no special privilege regarding the ability to parse a single logical sentence. Although it does expose the tendency towards self-delusion and magical thinking.
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“the further back you look the further forward you can see”.
Perfectly true, Gergis got that right and credit to her.
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With or without a mirror?
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Without.
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A short history of the science in Australia.
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/1d46b2e612b3af1eca2569de001f1082!OpenDocument
In any future audit we’ll need to prove that the old system had integrity and is good to go.
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It is a double edged sword for the crusty climate clown crew…..
If they day the old themometers are inaccurate, then any forward projecting models arent not working forward from a known point, in which case you cant establish a trend if there is an incorrect start point.
If they say the themometers were accurate, then we look at the data fiddling with homogenozation and show its one big lie.
Either wsy they are cactus…..
Bring on the Clmate Nuremberg Trials. All Colaborators will have fair legal representation.
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The work Gergis did on SEA is commendable and I’ll leave her fate in the hands of a Royal Commission.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/early-data/
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A serf’s musings re ‘facts’ and the BOM’s claim of hottest day evah in Oz.
1st musing: There’s the world of facts in themselves, let us be bold, events or phenomenon that occurred regardless of who saw, who reported or did not, the Tree that Falls in the Forest, (time, pre-historical,) the Murder on the Orient Express, (June 1932,) the Hottest day in Australia, 17/12/2019 or the Physics that brought about the phenomena of that hottest day, and so on…
2nd musing: Then there’s the world of statements or observations regarding ‘facts,’ which may be true or false statements relating to whether event or phenomena “such and such” occurred, or not. ‘The statement ‘that Australia had its highest temperature evah on 17/10/2011’ is true, if, and only if, Australia did, in fact, experience its hottest temperature on 17/112/2019’.
Follow-on musings re the above, you’ll note that the first, the world of facts in themselves, let’s call this World A, doesn’t depend on the latter, yr World B, whereas the latter, with regard to status, ‘true’ or ‘false,’ depends on the former. B depends on A but A is independent of B. As in the popular song, they ‘go together like a horse and carriage,’ but not vice versa. And where there are two statements that conflict, since both can’t be true statements, one at least must be false, stands to reason.
No problemo, you might say, and there’s Galileo, da-dah, actually observing Venus through a telescope, so yr observation and yr fact become enjoined in a good way. And then there’s the printing press, da-dah getting the word about ! Hurray! Every dog has its heyday and so too the science fact, hurray, ‘the nearest thing we have to a record of reality.’ (John Ridgeway Essay @ Cliscep, 18/11/2019.) Hurray!
Nutso fast! Judge not that ye shall be judged! There’s a problem arising from way-back when yr poor little fact first saw the light of day back in the Medieval Warming Period when no one cared too much about the world of facts as above. You had your scholastic authority, you had your reality model by Ptolemy and that sufficed, subject to a tweak or two. What they did focus on back then was yr fact, Factum they called him, as legal testimony. There’s a problem that stems from the judicial context of yr factum, (Latin for ‘what has been done,’) depending on who is giving the evidence. As the child of his times, (if you’re gonna’ call Fact by his right name, hi ‘Fact,’) there has to be a witness after the fact. ‘Fact’ may only become himself through respected reportage.Importance of the credible witness, ‘twas meant with the best of intentions, but the door’s been opened to testimony depending on the influence and standing of he who may be permitted to testify. John Ridgeway essay cliscep.)
Though Richard Feynman in the peak age of science facts might famously argue regarding the importance of rigorous evidence and testing: ‘It don’t matter WHO says it, or HOW MANY say it, if it doesn’t conform to observations it’s wro-ong.’ … well, just remember that yr Galileo, in relation to Papal authority, did not have an easy time of it, and even in the heyday of The Science Fact, yr James Hutton geological observations at Sikkar Point didn’t jell with the established authoritative explanation of the Biblical Flood Event.
And now you’ve got yr internet! It don’t mean a thing, if it ain’t got that schwing, dooh-ah, dooh-ah,’ …Edward Bernays would’ve luved the internet.
Fer a brief flowering yr Feynman Science prevailed, (Hurray!”) but habits die hard. Say sayonara to the WHAT, to the objectivity of the observation, the rigour of the test, say hello (yet again) to the WHO, yr post-modernist matter of opinion, no truth out there to be discovered, ‘and that’s the truth’… back to square one-ski.
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Oops an error, -dating in para 2. Correction, 17/12/2019. Git yr facts right serf.
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Why EG ?
Just because the BOM asserts that the earlier observations were not reliable ?
It current list of 729 weather stations do not provide reliable data either.!
In fact 300 of the BOM’s network of 720 are NOT compliant with it’s own siting guidelines for accurate observations.
But of course the mainstream media will try & suppress this fact so the public remains ignorant and dependent of BOM”s bloody alarmist nonsense !
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‘In fact 300 of the BOM’s network of 720 [weather stations’] are NOT compliant with its own siting guidelines …’
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‘In fact 300 [and still counting] of the BOM’s network of 720 [weather stations’] are NOT compliant with its own siting guidelines …’
FIFY
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‘Just because the BOM asserts that the earlier observations were not reliable ?’
I give her credit for organising the data, which is there for all to see. So all we require is a BoM audit to give credibility to those early weather men and the accuracy of their work
In that way we can attack the non-compliance of BoM and unseat the adjustors.
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E G I’m reading a history : The Weather Watchers” by David Day published in 2007.
The old system was the best that could be arranged
And as ken Stewart has shown the ‘new’ . system is non complaint with the BOM’s own guidelines.
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The Cultural Marxists at BoM are ignoring their guidelines, in the same way that the Trots at the ABC are working outside their Charter.
I cannot see Morrison organising a BoM audit until the ABC comes onboard with the idea.
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Are there any official issued thermometers still in existence from the 19th & first 1/2 of 20th century?
Is that one in the above image?
I have often wondered whether the Government Issue instruments as placed in the Stevenson Screens at remote post offices were only graduated to a certain point.
I heard a story from a local in Cobar who grew up at Mt Hope PO in the 1950’s when they [recorded by her father] had over a fortnight of 114’F. It had me thinking that may have been the highest graduation.
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pattoh:
114℉ = 63.3℃. Unlikely to be the usable temperature range unless an alcohol thermometer and as far as I know they weren’t used. More likely they used mercury maximum/minimum thermometers in a Stevenson screen.
It is possible that the maximum thermometer was not reset, unlikely if the Post Officer had any training.
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Graeme, I thought that was a bit hot.
Forget to take the 32 off.
Comes out at 45.55°C.
Phew
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Thanks, the perils of using a calculator without thinking.
Incidentally I (normally) use the 40 method.
Take the figure and add 40.
For conversion to ℃ multiply by 5 and divide by 9 (for ℉ multiply by 9 and divide by 5)
Then take 40 off that figure to get the answer.
It’s based on minus 40 being the same in ℃ or ℉.
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Haven’t used that one. Must have a go.
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Wake me up when they can fry an egg on a rock …
1962: Deputy Dawg – Heat Wave
“On the hottest day in 14 years, Deputy Dawg gets to enjoy the cool comfort of the Sheriff’s icehouse as Vince and Musky attempt to infiltrate it.”
@1.01: “Did you know it’s so hot you can fry an egg on a rock?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMDTo2morpI
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The car radio has been alive with urgent predictions of the coming end of week heatwave.
The ABCCCC has been busy predicting unprecedented heatwave conditions and then going into great detail of what this heat can do to you.
Suprisingly, in the recent past, these “predictions” have fallen flat, but not this time.
At 5;30 this morning I went outside to experience the start of this heatwave.
Yes, it was already 17°C (felt like 15°), sweltering.
I am so grateful to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation & Climate Change Collective and BOM for the warning of danger to groups within Australia.
Young people affected by heat should assemble outside the office of your government representative and demand more action.
Older men should ensure that any bald spots are adequately protected with sunscreen. Women are O.K. because they are blameless.
And of course, it’s Climate Change™, so you should also feel guilty and not protest about the annual $800 electricity ripoff because it’s shared equally between everybody in your house.
I hope and pray that we can all get through these next few days.
KK
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6 C forecast for dawn on the morning of the 22nd, just to the east of Melbournistan.
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Well, I have to admit that, up here in the Blue Mountains, it was 22C at 8:30 this morning and climbed to about 34C despite being forecast to be 39C. As usual it got that 1 second spike to the max at about 4:00pm when a surge of hot air came up the escarpment from the Megalong Valley and washed over the thermometer at Mount Boyce. At 9:00pm temperatures have dropped to 17C and we are watching the fire edge across the Grose Valley to see if we have to complete our emergency packing in order to evacuate tomorrow. A fire has just broken out in the village (Blackheath) which puts a whole new complexion on things. Must have been started by humans! Going to be a nervous night.
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History repeats.
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/10/man-made-climate-change-and-bushfires-in-southeast-australia/#comment-1331872
KinkyKeith
October 23, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Well said.
As a counter to the informed comment here on Jo’s blog we find examples like this from our local paper”
“Dr Liam Phelan is a senior lecturer in the school of environmental and life sciences at the University of Newcastle.
IS it appropriate to talk about the link between climate change and bushfires even as fires are still burning? Even as lives are threatened and lost, property is destroyed, and firefighters are still battling?
Adam Bandt, the federal member for Melbourne, came under attack last week for referring publicly to the link between climate change and the more than 90 bushfires that were burning across NSW.
There are two key issues in play: the link between climate change and extreme weather events, and how we as a society should respond to that link.””
It goes on and on but he has established the LINK.
Full article: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1857878/opinion-climate-change-is-fuelling-fires/?cs=308
One comment in response to his tirade was written by someone I know well:
In part:
” It is total rubbish to suggest that forty years of a NO FIRE policy is not the cause of the recent fires seen in Victoria (190 dead), Tasmania (many lost their livelihoods) and now New South Wales over the last few years.
Every person with any knowledge of the bush knows that undergrowth is at historic levels not previously seen during the last 50 years. Kindling is now stored up to 2 metres high on most tracks through local bushland, fire trails, once regularly maintained have been grown over and a super firestorm is ready to go.”” ………..
The question is now; How do we translate this catastrophe into permanent, enforceable, no nonsense, Government policy to go back to the future and have large scale winter hazard reductions perhaps paid for in part by Insurance companies?
There is no other way; we are currently seeing the result of forty years of a “No Fire” policy designed by people who have never seen the bush let alone been part of it.
We must again Fight Fire With Fire!
KK
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I hope you will be alright there Peter P. It’s stressful waiting to see what will happen.
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Over on the main sydney newspaper, the hysterical climate bedwetters are out in full force.
I just gave them a rocket for being sloppy with thier research. They wont publush it if course, but they need to know people will take them to task.
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There is one way that humans have been able to control temperature and the dangers of global warming . It’s called air conditioning . And the only reason we don’t get multiple deaths during very hot days like they did in the 1890s because in Australia we have had affordable reliable energy and affordable air conditioning. If that changes as is happening people will die and the stupid politicians and academic alarmists should be held liable. If all the money spent on trying to reduce the temperature by 1-2 degrees was directed into cheaper reliable coal or gas fired power stations both here and in third world countries that would save millions of lives. With the change left over I’m sure the governments around the world could afford to buy every single family an air conditioner.
I would back my $1000 air conditioner against the greenies $10000 solar panel to lower the temperature. I could also reduce it by 5-6 degrees in one hour or more rather than their pathetic fraction of a degree over the next 80 years. It’s not just nuts that people believe all this global warming nonsense but they are also too blind to see that the means to adapt to any weather is at our fingertips. The only way that this ability to adapt is at risk is if electricity becomes too expensive or unreliable.
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There is now “demand response” whereby Big Brother can remotely turn off or increase the temperature of your air conditioner.
I would think that this could lead to deaths under the wrong circumstances such as frail elderly people.
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Well some climate numpty councils ( including in the ACT ) are banning gas for new housing suburbs.
So people are then forced to use increasingly unreliable electricity….so if they use reverse cycle heating and cooling, the elderly could freeze in winder and cook in summer when thier aircon units are dialled back by the electricity companies to load shed.
Shooting rats on a barrel analogy comes to mind…..
It appears thre is a silent war against humanity in action, via UN agenda 21…..
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There are only three words to describe what is going on:
Evil, Evil and Evil.
KK
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Cold kills more than heat, doesnt get too cold in Aust….lucky for you…….a Canadian, during our winter which has just started and Im already freezing with -10c, not really that cold as long as you have heat…Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Apologies Jo. I sent a note to my local member (Frydo)about Tony Heller’s latest blog before I opened your site. We need articulate people like you in the parliament, so please run next time?
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Does your “representative” understand or care? Mine (state) is no on both counts, even though a supposed conservative. My federal member is ALP, even more useless than my state member.
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My Federal Rep is a sincere guy. He said he gets five times as many messages about dangerous climate change as the about the opposite.
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Tony Heller discusses it in his latest video. Sadly the BoM is now a political propaganda agency, not a scientific one. Our taxes should not be paying for it.
https://youtu.be/rxJTZvRl13Q
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David I know that Tony Heller is right in what he says.
But why do we need to listen ( no vision there apart from charts )
To an American about our weather ?
There are plenty of local blogs doing this work
Showing the nonsense propaganda of the BOM & ABCCC
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The “Oz cringe factor” is still alive and well.
So overseas experts like Tony, Anthony Watts et al help cater to that set
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Among other met obs, Tony Heller highlights expunged pre-adjusted data (NOAA/NASA temperature records; BOM in Australia) and twins the data with newspaper commentaries of the relevant moment. He does it exceptionally well, and has been at it for quite awhile. His view numbers appear colossal, which I find most reassuring.
I wonder how long he will be tolerated on YouLube and how much longer the newspaper record of yore will be permitted to exist, or at least be accessed by the great unwashed?
Peak nonsense indoctrination and propaganda are upon us. I stumbled across an extraordinary coupling of climate change with colonisation, an evil duet of neo-Marxist oppressors.
God help us.
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“Peak nonsense indoctrination and propaganda are upon us.”
Sounds very light and fluffy, old-school stuff.
How about:
Peak evil, hyper-indoctrination and viral propaganda are upon us around us permanently.
KK
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KK, given Christmas is upon us, Boris cleaned up and is moving to ‘fix’ the biased BBC, Macron and Merkel are finished as likely will be the EU in time – that snowball has started rolling down the hill, even Sore-ross thinks so -, the DEMs are poised to utterly eradicate themselves from the political firmament, Jair Bolsonaro told the globalista to go to hell, many things are moving slowly in the RIGHT direction, in spite of the treacherous, insufferable, relentless neo-Marxist MSM.
Just goes to show, one can’t fool all people all the time.
Merry Christmas mate!
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Sounds good.
Merry Christmas
KK
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Latus, in this video Tony Heller explains how he is already being unpersoned by Google / YouTube (same organisation).
They are making sure his search results are de-ranked plus the videos of his “debunkers” show first.
https://youtu.be/DhgrZ17Cf68
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The publication (I won’t call it a journal) “Current Archeology” and the article “Colonisation and climate change” June 2019 makes the absurd claim that due to the supposed killing of native Americans it allowed the forests to regrow thus reducing CO2 causing the Little Ice Age.
Are they for real? And don’t they always want more forests not less?
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David Maddison said:
Given the criticism of the BoM over the last couple of years, I admit to being a little surprised at Jo’s accusation of the BoM having some scientific standards left. I was under the impression they had all departed — like official GBR science from JCU.
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The recent warming trend in Australia (1976 – 2019) is down to increasing minimum temperatures, the max has remained fairly steady. Does anyone know what it means?
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Mainly much fiddling of numbers by BOM and ironically the night time temps here have been unusually cool although last night was a bit warmer .
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That is only weather, they are looking at a climate trend.
It maybe the natural consequence of a warming world?
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The Left, BoM included, take their instructions for rewriting history from “1984”.
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=2588
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“New Video : Fakest Day On Record”
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/12/new-video-fakest-day-on-record/#comments
Plus other earlier threads there
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I remember as a teenager having 2 weeks of close to 40C and at night having troble sleeping because the cicadas ( which start singing when it gets above 30C ) were going all night.
Now I think the previous little snowflakes wouldnt cope….I wonder a what temp does the internet “break”? That would really mess thier heads up…
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This would have been a better story if we were in January, not December, and able to compare a non-Stevenson screen temp with the Stevenson screen ones.
Otherwise question should be – why was 1896 so hot?
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Not sure, maybe someone knows?
Perhaps Jo coukd revisit the story in early Feb to create a neat bookend to the article.
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Peter, the BoM moved to smaller Stevenson Screens which are known to give up to a 0.5C warmer measurement.
Had they not had the desired warming result they wouldn’t have changed them would they? I know how you Lefties “think”.
https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2166
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Its a late monsoon and a weather pattern so that heat from a dryer than usual north blows south.
Record breaking possibly only because of higher readings of modern equipment and ignoring old temperatures above 50.
Australia’s average temperature is pure fiction.
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“why was 1896 so hot?”
Just like now, WEATHER conditions
Like now, Certainly is not anything to do with atmospheric CO2
I suspect if you were able to, you would find there was a meandering southern jet stream, like now.
That is what is causing these strong swings in the cold/hot cycle.
All depends where you are compared to that jet stream.
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“why was 1896 so hot?”
I agree with Andy, but added to the mix of 1896 was the prevalence of huge icebergs in the Southern Ocean.
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… and of course there was the 1896-97 El Nino. With so many variables it might require a supercomputer to unravel the chaos.
The other thing to keep in mind, awhile back Jo put up a post (can’t find it) which indicated that temperatures were warmer in Australia than in the Northern Hemisphere around this time. ENSO behaviour at the turn of the century would account for it.
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Silly boy: it’s obvious:
lot’s of sunshine because of lower than usual cloud.
Just like the high pressure system over Australia now.
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https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-18/outback-locals-battle-to-keep-cool-amid-heatwave/11810002
This article also states Oodnadatta hotest ever temp in Oz at 50.5C in 1960…Geraldton got to 51.7C….
More nonsense….
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Sorry….Geraldton to 51.7 in 1896….
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Well Sir Humphrey said you can prove anything with statistics and Jim Hacker interjected with “even the truth” and then received the full Humphrey glare!
Yesterday’s announcement by the BOM was probably correct statistically but in reality would be far from the truth historically for reasons stated by Jo and the Audit team. Putting aside the equipment question, in the past (say before WW2) there were simply not enough weather stations scattered around the country to allow any meaningful conclusions. Even now an “area averaged” figure is still dodgy but at least more feasible.
There will be an announcement today that a new record was set yesterday and I expect it to be around 41.5C. Today’s weather may match that although slightly cooler conditions are forecast in the southern part of the country.
Of course the BOM forecast 49C for Oak Valley in western SA today but cannot validate that because no weather station exists there.
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Nullarbor reached 49.9C at 4:54pm.
It was reported that today’s national average was 41.9C, but the writer should have realised that the BOM meant yesterday’s average.
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Jo, can i suggest you each month burn a copy of your web site to dvd and distribute it to multiple trusted individuals please?
The site now has much accurate historic data the climate na*is would live to “homogenize” out of existance….
I duspect eventually “mishaps” at even the nat archives coukd occur….
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Oh dear what a calamity! Quick we must stop Australia from getting any hotter. There’s only one immediate solution that could possibly make a difference. Ask China to stop building hundreds of new coal fired power stations. Oh what?! They will refuse? Oh well we just have to declare war won’t we? On our own. /sarc off.
The sooner PM Morrison pulls his finger out and declares war on the sick left who demand he take more action on climate change the better and more popular he will become. That’s of course if he truly doesn’t believe in the crap himself, which many including myself can’t help but wonder. We are ruled by incompetents, fools, idiots and/or anarchists at all levels of government. This nation has little hope of surviving.
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Don’t panic. There will soon be no more hot days in the world.
EU President Ursula von der Leyen will control the weather for us. Just when you thought AOC had the monopoly on Green absurdity, along comes Ursula.
The Green Deal would cost 1000 billion euros over the next decade in order reduce the European Union’s (EU) greenhouse gas emissions by 55% by 2030 compared to 1990.
“The European Green Deal is Europe’s new growth strategy. It will reduce emissions while creating jobs and improving our quality of life.”
I think Ursula has been on a bad acid trip. The UK is escaping just in the nick of time, although Boris is also hooked on Green.
https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/18/von-der-leyens-green-madness-europe-aims-to-divert-one-trillion-euros-best-way-to-torpedo-europe/
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The EU will tie this rubbish to all its trade deals, particularly those negotiated with the renegade UK.
Brexit must inevitably lead to further abandonment of the grand Fourth Reich EU project by other dissatisfied constituent nations. Italy next? The Visegrad countries?
The EU budget will be looking sicker than the UN’s once Britain’s contributions cease; lord knows how they’ll continue to pay the massive eurocrat salaries bill for the parasites will cling to their sinecures come what may.
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And force it on Australia. One of the justifications given for our staying in the Paris farce was so we would comply with EU trading rules in order to score a trade deal with them.
Why wreck our country just to get a dodgy deal with an empire that’s failing economically and politically?
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If carbon (sic) caused both records, why should I only be afraid of heat waves?
Dec 4, 2019: Coldest summer day on record –
Australia’s lowest summer daily maximum temperature record was broken this week.
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/coldest-summer-day-on-record/530627
Dec 17, 2019: Tuesday was Australia’s hottest day on record, according to preliminary data from the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM).
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-18/australia-heatwave-registers-new-hottest-day-on-record-bom-says/11810632
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Coldest… Hottest… Snowiest… Burniest …
(sounds like a case of extreme ‘swingimilitis’ to me, Stimpy)
thirty-sixth day in-a-row with nary a spot upon the face of the sun
273 days in total (so far) this year of their fr@ud, Twenty-Nineteen
quietest sun EVAH! (since 1913)
damn history . . .
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JO…….124 degrees F at Mossgiel [where is that?]……
Mossgiel was a township on the coach route between the Darling, Lachlan and Murrumbidgee Rivers, 50 kms south west of Ivanhoe and 158 kms north of Hay. The road from Hillston joins the Cobb Hwy just north of the old township.
The only building still standing is the old Post Office, now a private dwelling.
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Yes not much there apart from the sign and the building and not really all that far from Ivanhoe .
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The ‘double-homogenised’ BOM data set, beginning in 1910, is statistically invalid because of the averaging that has gone on, because it’s employed two very different types of instrumentation, and because it covers only one per cent of the coolest quartile of the Holocene interstadial. The current warmth is nothing more than background noise within a declining Holocene temperature that commenced 4.2 thousand years ago with a century-scale drought. Yes, a 100-year drought that was global in its effect! Holocene weather has been highly variable and today’s is insignificant by comparison with earlier events. I reckon the weather of my early childhood(the 1950’s) was comparable with today’s.
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“‘double-homogenised’”
No, the homogenisation is continuous, who knows what iteration they are up to.
Pretty soon everything will be a dead straight line, with no information in it at all.
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Judith Curry agrees with you, drbob.
‘Sometimes it seems as if we have weather amnesia. Active hurricane seasons, heavy snowfalls and floods, and severe drought in Texas are all reminiscent of the 1950’s. Natural variability is a plausible explanation for variations in extreme event frequency and also clustering of events. At the same times, humans are also influencing the climate.
‘There is no simple way to attribute any individual extreme events or cluster of events to global warming. And since these events have not been exceptional and their clustering is reminiscent of the 1950’s, there doesn’t seem to be anything exceptional going on that cannot be explained by natural variability of chaotic weather systems.’
Climate Etc
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It looks like the BoM has already decided that this December will be the hottest eeevvveeerrr and is busy altering historic data to prove it.
I’d be willing to bet a donation to a conservative independent news outlet like Rebel Media that it will be the hottest eeevvveeerrr.
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The volume of the alarmists (BOM, MSM, Greens, etc.) is increasing yet the elephant in the room (China) is ignored. As we all know we could shut down everything and go back to the stone age and the impact on the climate will be a big fat zero. If the left are serious about climate change they should all go to China and raise their concerns there. Of course they won’t because it’s all pure political BS. It is high time PM stepped up to the plate and condemned all the alarmists, including some in his own part. If he doesn’t it proves he is yet another career politician who will do nothing to avoid this once great nation from declining any further.
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PeterS:
I think that he is waiting for blackouts in Victoria (and elsewhere?) this summer. Already there have been some 3,000 homes cut off in Melbourne. A few more occasions like that on very hot days will cause anger among the voters who will want something done, and allow him to over-ride the States and the Greenies.
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David:
The BoM is in the same position as a punter who backs a horse, then alters the result after the race is won. He may have trouble collecting from the bookmakers, but the BoM has no problem collecting.
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Its not just the urban sprawl and new instruments that affect individual temperatures. Watering the lawn in mid afternoon on a hot day was normal until recent decades. When I was a kid, we would see on the news that the maximum was not as hot as we thought and a friend would point out that they were watering the lawn in the middle of the afternoon, again, around the airport.
I’ve looked at the weather stations in the plains of Adelaide and I wouldn’t report an average for the area to the nearest 0.1°C. The differences between any two of them on any day vary by about 2 degrees in summer. The density of sites is a couple of orders of magnitude better than most of Australia and they have a magical algorithm that can reconstruct an Australia with a high enough density of stations to get a value to the first decimal place. It highlights that they are not critical enough if their own methodology as long as they get the result that they want.
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Really good point R.B.. 🙂
The system and everything about how temperatures are currently measured is pretty much incompatible with previous measurements.
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The biggest factor affecting temperature readings is human intervention by The BoM to alter them to suit their political narrative of anthropogenic global warming.
They do this by cooling or ignoring (or erasing) past readings and warming present ones. Present readings are increased through either using a smaller Stevenson Screen known to increase measured temperatures or the scientifically invalid process of “homogenisation” by some unpublished methodology involving arbitrary human adjustments which BoM regards as a state secret (and therefore not science).
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The zigmeister displays all the ignorance typical of this debate. “. If all the money spent on trying to reduce the temperature by 1-2 degrees was directed into cheaper reliable coal or gas fired power stations both here and in third world countries that would save millions of lives. With the change left over I’m sure the governments around the world could afford to buy every single family an air conditioner.”
It is a common failing. Nobody is talking about REDUCING the temperature by 1 or 2 degrees tbey are talking about stopping an INCREASE BEYOND 2 degrees.
Further it is not about the temperature on any given day here or anywhere else that is in question but the global average.
But it is all part of the denialist strategy, that is why JN does not correct anyone
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The common failing is blind belief that stopping carbon emissions will have any affect on climate whatsoever.
The whole wind/solar travesty has been a complete an utter waste of money, to solve a problem that has basically zero scientific basis.
That money could have done so much good around the world if targeted at real problems.
You do know the 2ºC figure was just pulled out of someone’s a**e don’t you?
You do know that warming by increased atmospheric CO2 has never been observed , let alone measured, anywhere on the planet, don’t you ?
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You are missing the point completely, try again. Proves my point really.
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You made no point.
Seems you are ignorant of reality.
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Another one! Shirley not.
Another uneducated blowhard Screaming Scro.
IKK
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When we started taking temps in Fahrenheit everything was unprecedented, then we changed to Celsius a whole new scale to record the same temps using a different name but of course unprecedented only because of a name change and I can’t wait till they switch to Kelvin and they get a whole new unprecedented range to scare us with again .
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“Over here” we FRIED on 296 Kelvin (K) today
23 degrees Celsius
The Pacific Ocean was boiling on 292 K
19 degrees Celsius
(went for a swim at lunch and it was bone-chilling)
30 years and still waiting for the imaginary ‘heat’ to arrive . . .
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Related hopefully but the high temps and low efficiency of renewables seem to having the desired impact on South Australian power prices .
https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#price-demand
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A simple assessment at https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.co shows that CO2 has not caused the planet to warm.
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Link does not work Dan
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Try with .com
https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com
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In the middle ages they pushed the fires of hell, fire and brimstone from every pulpit, indulgences, cash to buy eternal peace. It hasn’t changed except now they do it with thermometers. And the punishment is windmills polluting our country in the thousands, transmission lines, desalination plants and the world’s highest electricity prices forcing all manufacturing to shut, in Victoria a 900% increase.
Now the politicians are pretending to try to save the manufacturing jobs, with our cash. So in true communist fashion, we pretend to pay people and they pretend to work. Only the public service area is booming and wages are rocketing. Our Victorian Premier and friends have had three pay rises this year.
And the BOM joined the party long ago. Now heat waves are unprecedented. A record here, a fiddle there, a bit of homogenization, dropping cold records and pushing global warming and climate change and the Great Barrier Reef as if 1C is somehow killing the planet.
The only good sign is that they have given up on rapid sea rises. It’s hardly mentioned and no one believes it. Still the Pacific islands and holiday resorts want the free cash. And the military dictatorships like Venezuela where a once free and rich people lived well are now destitute and without power or sewage or jobs or even petrol.
So what is progressive about progressives? They advance themselves at your expense.
And a day of reckoning is coming for the BOM. Close it. There is nothing they do which cannot be automated or has not already been automated.
Then if you listen to the actual explanation for this hot mass of air, it is the Indian Dipole, nothing to do with Climate Change at all. 1C has no effect on forest fires. Matches and floor litter and firebreaks and dams do.
After 12 Royal Commissions into the causes of bushfires in Australia, we are now told it is Climate Change. Why?
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If not just the two Royal Commissions, then 16 more parliamentary inquiries. Here is the Federal government list of 18 Bush Fire inquiries
The two Royal Commissions were the 2009 Victorian Bushfires Royal Commission and the 1961 Royal Commission into the Bush Fires of December 1960 and January, February, March of 1961.
The difference now in 2019 is that bushfires are Climate Change and Prime Minister Morrison’s fault. And after 200 years of experience and 18 inquiries, we now know bushfires are caused by +1C in the last century, not anything else.
Strange then that they and droughts and flooding rains have been a part of Australia for so long, even before the motor car was invented or the fractioning of crude oil starting in the 1850s.
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I’ve looked in the main piece and the comments but I don’t see any direct comparison that falsifies the statement that Tuesday was the hottest on record. What day was hotter than Tuesday? What was the average?
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Take the blinkers off, GA. !
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Good comment.
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What I also can’t find is anything “official” from the BOM on this. There is a tweet about “preliminary results suggest…”
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Gee Aye — read it again. “The hottest day was possibly Jan 23 or 24 in 1896.” See 20 links on those days?
Maybe get new glasses?
This was the extent of my big claim:
“How does the BOM know for sure that it was not hotter on any one of these days? Perhaps they don’t. Wouldn’t it be more honest of the BOM to mention that? It’s not like billions of dollars depends upon it…”
Since the BOM get half a billion dollars more than me, perhaps they should be answering our question — or perhaps they should just be honest about their own uncertainties and the weather history of Australia. You think?
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indeed, I agree that was the extent of your claim. A blog post about maybe.
And no answer to this; What day was hotter than Tuesday? What was the average?
just maybes
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just empty nothings. The GA way.
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Sure, give me 2% of the BOM budget and I’ll tell you the answer that they won’t.
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Chris Kenny has asked the Bureau for how they worked it out and using which stations with what homogenised data sets .
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the information was available anyway.
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Notice the mentions of lack of wind on these very hot days.
These days we have air conditioners running on electricity.
Some of the electricity comes from windmills. More is planned.
What use are windmills on very hot days with little wind?
Geoff S
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luckily the drought means that the mill stones don’t need to roll over the grain as we have none. Where are these windmills anyway?
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Idiot.
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Never thought I would see it but the ABC has allowed a couple of great “pee takes” to go to air.
Don’t normally watch Charlie Pickering but last night he had a special of The Weekly covering the year, yes The Yearly.
Two funny bits on the BoM and Climate Council. At 4:50 BoM operations especially the use of unprecedented and then at 20:00 Judith Lucy does a job on Amanda McKenzie CEO of the Climate Council.Just love the change of expression from the first question re what is the CC to her getting up to walk out at the end.
How did this get through?
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The cartoon in the Australian is scathing, Flannery in a wombat suit telling former Fire chiefs he is right this time. On the wall behind, hot rocks, desalination plants, Perth ghost town,…
Who thought this clown had any actual knowledge of meteorology, computers, mathematics, modelling, physics, chemistry, geology, atmospheric physics or the laws of thermodynamics? It is an insult to Australia that he was made ‘Chief Climate Commissioner’ above the many qualified meteorologists in the country and around the world. And his ‘Climate COmmissioners’ none of whom was a meteorologist?
The wombat costume is good. Unless that’s a koala.
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The same for me – last week I predicted the lotto numbers but I was wrong, but this week I am sure that I will be right.
The numbers were predictable in Pennsylvania in 1980.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pennsylvania_Lottery_scandal
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Disagree that a Met expert is the person who should be heading up a “climate-council”. If it were about Science then climate is a geological topic and not a meteorological topic. And the sort of guy you want in a position like that is a Bob Carter type, or someone of similar capacity and deep-knowledge of Earth’s palaeoclimate, and who has fist-fulls of hard data at the press of a button.
There’s no current day “climate” record, there’s only a past-tense climate record, and it can only ever be that way. It is entirely different to meteorology. If you want to see hundreds of genuine climate-crisis’s in geological history of the Quaternary, there are geos at this site and at WUWT who could take people too any number of accessible outcrops, to show people directly in rock what a real thermally driven ‘climate-crisis’ looks like. And what we’re living through is actually the total absence of any such alleged climate-crisis.
That’s if it was really about Science.
But if it is only about the politics of how to steal people’s tax and investment money and retirement savings, you’d really want an incompetent double-talking ignorant mincing little Muppet, like Tim Flannery for instance, to head it up instead.
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WX,
the whole sham is predicated on the concept that CO2, in the atmosphere, acts as a greenhouse gas able to absorb, hold and re-radiate very low grade energy back to ground.
The science that I am aware of doesn’t support this: in fact several sources have suggested that CO2 can only free itself from the universal gas laws at altitudes above say 11,000 metres.
Temperatures there are about minus forty °C which means that, yes, it can act as a greenhouse gas, but only in a situation where it Must lose it’s surplus energy away from Earth towards the lower temperature region of deep space.
That’s the thermodynamics.
Surely we have physicists who would corroborate this if they were not threatened with extinction for so doing.
KK
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Yes, I agree Keith, NET flow of energy is towards the lowest values. But even NET flow is composed of upward and downward scatter and re-emission components and we know the downward radiation occurs at night from cloud layering.
The more pertinent point is saturation of the available gh potential via much higher H2O concentrations making CO2’s concentration level irrelevant and just a gigantic IPCC-Approved-Red-Herring™.
Some CO2 effect is present, which then becomes an increasingly slower rate of Temp rise from CO2, which we’ve actually seen since 1998 thru 2015, and the slowdown is punctuated by El-Ninos. Due to the recent series of small (failed) El-Nino events, the temp still has not reverted to the mean level of the ‘Hiatus’.
What’s more, it all looks like a continuation of prior century-scale warming and cooling natural-variability anyway.
Even so, still no NET cooling occurring, which is as much due to H20 as any other ghg. For instance, 15% greening during warming amounts to 15% more transpiration adding H2O to the air (but a lot of it is plankton).
Until this changes, via a decade of major droughts and die-back, i.e. with major fires and stuff (think 1930s to early 1940s era) and then “desertification” (1950s and 1960s). Oh nose, its Climate-Crisis™!
So T will remain elevated until the greeness goes brown and the transpiration drops, and we slowly fall off the Hiatus T level (reversing the warming of the 1980s and 90s).
So once we get to a global browning (1930s and 1940s) and then major famines kick-in (“OMG, its the end of the world!”) we then drift back into 1960s to 1970s cooling phase.
Whatever happens, it’s going to be slow and likewise unconvincing for at least 2 decades I’d say. And the browning and famine will look just like what the barking-mad greenies have been warning of (except its the beginning stage of drying into cooling).
So even if we enter the phase which reduces the H2O ghg level, the temp is not going to go down much, until 2 to 3 decades further on.
And those are just the weather cycles! … scheesh!
Climate just does not operate on the time scale of humans, it’s a geological process. Attempting to address climat change any other way is delusional. Even all the talk about sunspots and PDO/AMO, this is still all just the weather cycle scale, so any cooling change there is still just cooling weather cycles.
You need a couple of centuries of that drifting lower to get an actual climate-change “trend” change, and a geological expression showing that a genuine global climate change is in the process of occurring. A real climate change will have occurred when the sea level slowly stops rising and slowly starts falling.
That’s a genuine global climate-change trend. Until we see that and the resulting change in regressing sedimentation patterns, we’re still, in climate trend terms, approximately showing a warming signal. We could get three decades of cooling and the warming signal still shows sea level warming.
This is something a Bob Carter would have understand, and been able to communicate with precise definition and logic. Except no one wants to hear that, because you can’t scam people and steal their money using the irrefutable physical testable verifiable truth. Nope! You need a bunch of UN CRYSTAL-BALL CLIMATE MODEL∆∞$™, to really work up a fuller arsenal of lies.
So you get morons like Tim Flannery (the human equivalent of a climate-model) being presented as the “Climate∆$™®” super-gobschite ABC™ ‘guru’, instead of an actual palaeoclimatic science expert.
” … All the better to eat you with! …”, said the Wolf.
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Hi WX, slow down.
Too many things being conflated together there.
Human Origin CO2 is quantitatively irrelevant.
And what water does in the atmosphere is waters business, it’s not on trial at the United Nations.
There’s also the issue of the lapse rate that determines temperature at altitude.
I suspect that there might be clouds over the many locations around the world that are currently experiencing life-threatening cold.
The UNIPCCC issue is the claim that CO2 causes Global Warming: it doesn’t and that’s the point.
This mindless rush to renewables is about two things- the money, and control.
Logically the whole CO2 thing can’t be supported: why are we still slaves to it?
KK
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I blame Asia for Australia’s hottest summer day. Ever …
Coal use in Asia blunts UK efforts to tackle climate change
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coal-use-in-asia-blunts-uk-efforts-mtdsl0gtf
The UK/Australia is wasting its time and taxpayer money chasing the climate hoax.
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We know BoM is altering historic temperature records but what are they doing to rainfall records?
I have never seen that discussed.
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Often wondered about that but with so many private citizens recording rainfall maybe it’s harder to fiddle the books like they do with temps .
Equipment needed for measuring rainfall is pretty basic and looking at the widget for the last 100 odd years there is absolutely no pattern which is probably why they like to put the disclaimer about the last 20 years being drier , but over the last 100 nothing but variation .
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A few months ago Ken & I have discussed doing an audit of the BOM’s rain gauge weather stations.
. There are a lot more of them than temp ones..
So it was put off till ‘later’..
But maybe soon this could be tackled..
I know of two that are completely non compliant already..
But maybe if a few folks here asked Ken Stewart and offered to help
He would tackle it.
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Jo can you please define the term “ever” is it like the bom and their never ending story or ever as in 14 billion p,us years?
I understand for the simpletons among us i am being pedantic its a bit like the soda stream product currently being a top ten best selling present because it is “earth friendly” despite it being powered by karbon pollushion.
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The ever in their news stories means “ever recorded” but being more accurate they should say “ever recorded since the BOM set up the modern network in 1910”. If they were honest they would also mention that similar temperatures have been recorded in Australia prior to that.
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But they are not honest because saving the panet trumphs all
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But they are not honest because levering money out of other people’s pockets trumphs all.
FIFY
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I’ve seen hottest ever since records began turn out to be the 1980’s even later , depends on which MSM usually .
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Right you are.
Per Tony Heller:
AU, 11 Jan 1939
7 Dead from excessive heat. 4 in Melbourne, 2 in Mildura, 1 in Sydney
Adelaide: 116.9 F, 47.7 C
Melbourne: 113 F, 45 C
Ivanhoe NSW: > 100 F, 37.8 C, for 37 days running
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/12/record-heat-in-three-australian-capitals/
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“There was not much in the way of urban heat island effects – no airports, no five lane super highways, small populations, and some of these temperatures come from trained expert observatories”.
And let’s not forget that nowadays, the temperature is measured every minute (if not more often). Back in the days, having one reading per hour was a lot. Having more readings increases the chance of having a record temperature.
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Australia is two weeks away from peak energy input.
Next week the December solstice will place the sun overhead at 23.5 degrees south. On the 4th of January the sun reaches its maximum intensity on earth of 1407W/sq.m at zenith. Over any day, the land in locations like Cloncurry can be parched with more than 8kWh/sq.m. Think about that – more than an average of 330W over every square metre for the entire 24 hours:
http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=193&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=2018&p_c=-168527130&p_stn_num=029008
It is not surprising that Australia is the hottest continent on earth. It spans from tropics, through sub-tropics to temperate zone with most of the land area in tropics and sub-tropics. Much of it is below sea level. Central Australia gets next to no rain because the land is so flat. What is not well known is that its location in the Southern Hemisphere creates the conditions for peak insolation with December solstice and perihelion almost coincident.
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Flat earthers……
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Interesting.
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Not really when you average sun energy like they do instead of calculating albedo,angle of incidence for ocean and ice you are simply flattening the earth out, therefore they are treating the earth as if it is flat
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“1407W/sq.m at zenith.”
It’s understood that any variation from that will give different values, perfect case.
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Which is not ideal because the summer is hotter (sun closer) and winter is colder (sun more distant) whereas the northern hemisphere has it ideal with the sun distant in summer and close in winter.
The good thing about the southern hemisphere is more ocean moderates the temperature compared to NH.
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All the screens linked below are ECMWF model forecasts within the hottest part of the day, shown in degree F for a direct comparison. Within this temperature overlay the image goes to cherry-red at human body-temperature of 100 degrees F, (37.5 C), which then shades to full black at 126.5 F (52.5 C).
Today (19th Dec 2019 @ 3 PM):
https://i.ibb.co/TvDQ6YK/19th-Dec.png
Tomorrow:
https://i.ibb.co/9vDdmpn/20th-Dec.png
Next:
https://i.ibb.co/VTMVsNL/21st-Dec.png
Things improve on the 22nd Dec, but only temporarily. The heat goes back into the interior, and the NW of WA, which is where such temps are actually typical on most Summer days. It’s only when that vast heated area is displaced South and East by a passing weather system that this heat considered out of the norm, or described within hysterical media as a catastrophic heat-wave. People within central Australia and northern Western Australia however deal with such heat, every day within any Summer. It’s actually typical and nothing unusual. But when such heat temporarily reaches the South and SE capitals, it’s regarded to be an ’emergency’ condition. And when it comes with strong winds it becomes a dangerous time.
The rest of Australia however calls such temperatures, “Summer”. This is why people used to go to the pub and drink glasses of cold beer.
Christmas Day forecast pattern:
https://i.ibb.co/MDjrvnz/25th-Dec.png
Obviously this normal level of interior heat in summer will return to the SE states within a week or two of Christmas, and the whole climate-hysteria freak-out will get it’s excessively-televised sobbing, hand-wringing show back on the road for another Summer-O’-Doom tour. … oh, the humanity!
Kickback and get some pop-corn, as this will keep happening every year for several more centuries or until the next fall into a glacial, whether humans are present on this Earth, or not. Humans are irrelevant to this because humans don’t control or impact this. This is just the normal weather within Australia. Modern civilization or not makes no difference.
USA has places like ‘Death Valley’, where it gets rather hot in Summer. But >50% of Australia can become like one giant Death-Valley on hot Summer days and to survive it you adjust your clothing, your buildings and your daily work routines, habits and culture.
But the singular reason why people don’t keel-over in very large numbers from such regular heat-waves is called …
E L E C T R I C I T Y
And it’s during these hottest SE Australian events, a few times each Summer that the grid has been made most unstable, and has become the most prone to a system-wide multi state grid supply failure in the period of the highest temperatures. Which may take out a lot of people.
The greatest threat to human beings now is not from the heat alone, or probably from even major fires, it’s from the dire instability that’s been introduced into the grid via unreliable, unaffordable non-baseload power supplies, like wind-generators and solar-panels being added to the grid. This is the real ‘crisis’ here. Our grid infrastructure’s ability to provide people with cheap affordable power during such heat waves is rapidly being eroded eliminated and made very unstable.
The outcome will be lots of coffins full of people who have carked due to completely preventable severe heat-stress.
And if that occurs the most guilty disgusting dishonest greenies and vile political grandstanders, and the feral ABC swine will all blame everything and everyone but the crisis which they themselves have formulated, created and bought about due to their concerted embrace of lies and political disinformation. Which they’re using to deceive and harm Australians, with this abject fantasy that unreliable, unaffordable, non-economic subsidized non-base-load power generation is what is needed.
It’s all been a lie and a con to rip off taxpayers.
What we need are more cheap and reliable coal and gas-fired power stations built until we can build a fleet of reactors big enough to replace most of those in about 30 to 40 years from now. Otherwise we’re headed for major power outages on a nationally significant scale which will have fundamental political effects.
Because the dishonest disgusting greenies and the vile political grandstanders and feral ABC swine will be the people that the “quiet Australians” will want exiled for 25 years to Christmas Island, to live off the land via their own efforts, minus their children.
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Narromine News and Trangie Advocate (NSW : 1898 – 1955), Friday 1 April 1932, page 2
Bourke.
Further particulars of the big heat wave in Bourke in 1896 show that in that year, at Bourke, there were 66 deaths from heat apoplexy over a period of six weeks, during which time the heat was never under 114 degrees shade heat and, what was worse, never under 100 degrees at night. The maximum temperature recorded under true shade conditions was 128 degrees. Visualise the heat! Never under 100 degrees for six weeks, day or night. Apoplexy stricken persons fell down on the footpaths. Hansom cabs patrolled the streets. They were laden with ice. When a subject fell over he was placed in the cab. Ice was packed around him and he was rushed to the hospital. At the hospital the victim of the heat was placed in a room full of ice. His pillow was an ice block, and ice was packed all round him, and nurses undressed him after that Hundreds were saved in this way. But outside of Bourke there was no such relief. When a man gets heat apoplexy he becomes sub-normal, he sheds his clothes at intervals until he is naked, all the while walking round in circles. That is why many of the victims of the 1896 heat wave in the Bourke district were found entangled in rabbit-proof fences. Or rather, what was discovered was their skeletons. The women and children of Bourke in that year had an awful experience. Sleep was impossible. Families walked the streets the whole night in negligible clothing. Many went Into the Darling River and stayed there for hours up to their necks, but the water was lukewarm. It gave no relief. Mr. Macdougall, manager of the Pera Bore Experimental Farm, was discovered dead in his bed. The thermometer on his wall at 10 o’clock at night disclosed that the temperature was 130 degrees. Finally the Government of the day granted free railway passes to women and children to go to cooler climates. Inspector Mclntosh of the police department, stated that years afterwards the police discovered skeletons of several men. Death was attributed to the heat wave of that year.
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Great quote David.
Seems it would take a blocking-High sitting in the northern Tasman sea during most of the Summer for that to continue on for so many weeks. A strange synoptic setup, especially for it to be maintained that long. I haven’t checked but I’m fairly sure that could only have been during a particularly severe El-Nino.
Bound to happen again at some point, of course.
In the meantime the green-left scum will do all they can to harm the population via destroying the eastern Australian power-grid and economy, due to the evils of releasing plant food from bountiful hydrocarbons.
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This site identifies 1896-1897 as an El-Ninio event affecting both years:
https://sites.google.com/site/medievalwarmperiod/Home/historic-el-nino-events
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The clustering of El Nino years around the turn of the century, accompanied by large icebergs in the Southern Oceans cooling down the waters further north, might explain everything.
We could imagine a meandering jet stream and blocking high pressure in 1896, but we’ll need to come up with a synoptic chart to verify it.
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But do we see a lot of such bergs floating around the southern Indo-Pacific? It seems a less likely explanation on face value.
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Agreed, so essentially we aren’t looking at SST as a player.
Do you think the cluster of El Nino was the system’s way of over riding the Gleissberg effect?
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Sorry, my opinion is a worthless factor, Gordo.
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I should add this.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/17/the-tip-of-the-gleissberg/
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Willis makes a strong argument, gives the Gleissberg a thumbs down, but leaves the door open for a 95-120 year cycle, which leads to de Vries.
‘The ~ 208-year de Vries solar cycle displays strong modulation by the ~ 2400-year Bray solar cycle, both in its cosmogenic isotope signature and in its climatic effects. The Centennial, and Pentadecadal solar cycles are observable in the last 400-year sunspot record, and they are responsible for the present extended solar minimum that started in 2008.’
Post by Javier at Climate Etc.
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Is it any wonder that refrigeration was invented by an Australian:
https://dynamicrefrigeration.com.au/blog/james-harrison-ice-machine/
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18 Dec: GatewayPundit: “4 More Years! 4 More Years!” – Trump Supporters Line Up in Blustery 17 Degree Cold Weather Hours Before Michigan Rally (VIDEO)
by Cristina Laila
It’s 17 degrees in Battle Creek and 5 degrees with the wind chill, but that didn’t stop Trump supporters from lining up outside hours before the rally is set to begin!…
Fox News reporter Matt Finn said some Trump supporters started camping out yesterday in the bitter cold!…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/4-more-years-4-more-years-trump-supporters-line-up-in-blustery-17-degree-cold-weather-hours-before-michigan-rally-video/
Youtube: 18 Dec: President Donald Trump Merry Christmas Rally LIVE in Battle Creek, MI
Right Side Broadcasting Network
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU1-m8x-vuY&feature=emb_logo
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18 Dec: WashingtonTimes: Hillary Clinton warns of ‘tough’ 2020 election: ‘Closer than one would like or expect’
by Jessica Chasmar
“I think that it’s going to be a very tough election, as they seem to be these days, probably closer than one would like or expect,” the twice-failed presidential candidate said on a podcast hosted by former Australian Prime Minister ***Julia Gillard…
“I mean, we are really a divided nation, and our partisanship stands for many other things. It stands for acceptance or rejection of all kinds of cultural changes. It stands for divides between urban and rural, between fast-growing, knowledge-based economies and ***stagnant, agriculture and manufacturing-based economies.”
Later in the interview, Mrs. Clinton said she was “devastated” and in “shock” after losing the 2016 election to President Trump…
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/18/hillary-clinton-warns-of-tough-2020-election-close/
yesterday, FakeNewsMSM were all reporting “tens of thousands”:
Tens of thousands march in support of a possible Trump impeachment
Daily Mail – 6h ago
meanwhile, reports were coming in on social media of 40 and less at the few rallies of the 600 predicted, so DM changed the headline!
18 Dec: Daily Mail: Hundreds of protesters clamor on Capitol Hill bearing signs that label Trump a ‘criminal’ and call for his impeachment ETC…
by Valerie Edwards
A few hundred people braved a cold Wednesday to voice their support for lawmakers poised to say yea or nay to the formal charging of the Republican leader…
From Alaska to Florida, tens of thousands of Americans marched in support of impeachment Tuesday evening, from a demonstration through a rainy Times Square to handfuls of activists standing vigil in small towns…
Meanwhile, supporters of the president gathered for a campaign rally for Trump in Battle Creek, Michigan, on Wednesday
People stand in 17 degree temperatures waiting to hear Trump speak at his Christmas Rally at the Kellogg Arena in Battle Creek, Michigan, on Wednesday…
SO MANY FEWER?
18 Dec: NBC: Associated Press: Modest but passionate turnout at pro-impeachment rallies
By Nicholas Riccardi & Gary D. Robertson
Tens of thousands of people across the country marched in support of impeachment Tuesday evening, from a demonstration through a rainy Times Square to handfuls of activists standing vigil in small towns around the country…
Liberal groups organized more than 600 events from Alaska to Florida…
In San Francisco, Marti McKee, a commercial artist, has been distributing signs and placards to marchers ever since Trump won the 2016 election. She has been struck by how impeachment draws ***SO MANY FEWER PEOPLE to the streets than other causes…
In Denver, Thaddeus Bruno, 41, lamented that only a few hundred people had turned out…
Some activists acknowledge that impeachment doesn’t fire up people like life-and-death issues such as health care, guns or ***CLIMATE CHANGE…
17 Dec: Gazette: Hundreds gather in downtown Colorado Springs for Trump impeachment rally
By LIZ HENDERSON
More than 200 people gathered in downtown Colorado Springs on Tuesday evening…
The movement — sponsored by a coalition of progressive groups including Public Citizen, Indivisible, the Service Employees International Union and the ***SIERRA CLUB — encouraged rally members to use the hashtag #NotAboveTheLaw on social media…
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it may only be weather, and not a record, but I doubt Coloradans want politicians lowering the temperature (as if they could)!
17 Dec: KDVR Fox31: It reached -44°F Tuesday morning in Colorado, coldest temperature in lower 48 states
by Phil Rankin
Cold air in the mountain valleys of central Colorado dropped the temperature to -44°F Tuesday morning.
That frigid temperature was recorded at Antero Reservoir, south of Fairplay in Park County, according to a tweet from the National Weather Service in Boulder.
It ranks as the lowest temperature of the morning in the contiguous United States (lower 48 states), according the the NWS…
Near the eastern Larimer County community of Waverly, the NWS recorded -34°F. In Cowdrey, near the Colorado-Wyoming border in Jackson County, the temperature dropped to -32°F…
https://kdvr.com/2019/12/17/it-reached-44-tuesday-morning-in-colorado-coldest-temperature-lower-48-states/
18 Dec: India Today: Temperature drop as Delhi shivers at 7 degrees Celsius
The national capital on Wednesday witnessed the coldest morning of the season with the temperature recorded at 7 degrees Celsius, a notch below the season’s average, the weather office said
by Indo-Asian News Service
This was after on Tuesday, Delhi recorded a maximum temperature of 12.9 degrees Celsius, which was the lowest in December in the last 16 years.
The India Meteorological Department said the day will remain cold and get severe cold…
Not just Delhi, but neighbouring Noida, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and Gurugram were also under the grip of a cold spate.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/temperature-drop-as-delhi-shivers-at-7-degrees-celsius-1629351-2019-12-18
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18 Dec: GatewayPundit: HUGE! DOJ IG Horowitz Confirms Evidence of Political Bias in FBI Text Messages (VIDEO)
by Cristina Laila
There is a virtual media blackout of Horowitz’s testimony because the fake news media is obsessing over the sham impeachment vote.
Horowitz told Senator Ron Johnson that he found political bias.
“In both of these investigations you found political bias,” Johnson said to Horowitz referring to the FBI’s investigation into Hillary’s emails (MidYear Exam) and Trump’s camp.
“We found through the text messages evidence of people’s political bias,” Horowitz said to Senator Johnson…
Horowitz also told Senator Rand Paul that he found evidence of political bias.
SEN. PAUL: “But could you then specifically say…there actually was evidence of political bias and evidence of record-changing that looks like malfeasance?”
HOROWITZ: “There is evidence of both, I agree with you.”…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/huge-doj-ig-horowitz-confirms-evidence-of-political-bias-in-fbi-text-messages-video/
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‘Climate change’ – one has to believe that this means anthropogenically caused – is reported as around one degree over the past 100 years or so.
How much easier would our lives be if it was one degree cooler during this heat wave? Would it even be considered a heat wave with one degree less warming?
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Hi John,
At 5:30 a.m.today it was a chilly 18° outside.
At 2 p.m. it’s now an uncomfortable 35°C.
Based on Climate Change™ modelling it is estimated that local CO2 levels have gone from 391.43 ppm to 834 with 97% certainty. So, in eight and a half hours CO2 levels have doubled.
Amazing.
KK
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The cognitive dissonance here is astonishing. I recommend a holiday in Hawaii to cool down.
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Sorry that you incapable of accepting the FACTS put in front of you.
Doing so would melt your poor little brain-washed mind.
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Cognitive dissonance is way too polite
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Seriously, Fitzroy, I am curious why you still bother to come here.
You don’t have a single good word for anybody.
You ask for references constantly and then never bother to take them, and having set that trap for you five times now, that fact of your not taking references is now certain.
People here do active investigation, active research, and again, you never even bother to look at that either, also something I have now proved.
You instead refer to it is, and let me quote you exactly, worthless, unoriginal, cut and paste, and never even having bothered to find out what was involved in it, you just flat our run it down, and some of us have been doing this now for many years.
Now I can understand why you run it down, and denigrate. Your handlers tell you to do that. And anyway, you don’t understand a single word of it, and have never even attempted to understand it, because you don’t want to know truths that your handlers and you don’t agree with. We’re not as dangerous people as you think we are. All we are trying to do is to get the real truth out there, and this site here is the ONLY one which actually allows us freedom to make those truths. I fat any time you acknowledged those truths, then it’s worthwhile having you here, but ALL you do is run it all down, so what’s the point of your coming here anyway.
You have done nothing of your own in any of these fields, and yet you set yourself up as an expert in these fields.
All you have is denigration ….. of the process, and of the people telling those facts.
And yet you ‘still’ keep coming back here.
Why is that?
I really am curious.
Tony.
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Yep, he certainly is an empty mess.
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I’ve explained why I’m here before, and the short answer is that I’m interested in all sides of a story. I would like to be convinced of your view, but your explanations and self referential links remain limp and unconvincing.
For example in the years you have been building your spreadsheets are there any trends that would be enlightening?
Like – trend in generation by all sources, or what drives the spot price negative, is there a trend there?
A statement like 70% of all power was produced using coal on a day, is a fact, but what does it forbode for the future, or how did that compare to 2 yers ago
Is the reason you don’t like trends down to the decline in coal as a power source?
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‘I’m interested in all sides of a story.’
But you’re only interested in energy, or explaining the finer points of the CO2 blanket, never a word from you on climate oscillations.
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Is not energy, and it’s flux, the primary driver?
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And the flux is always determined by the temperature gradient.
You have just totally destroyed the whole AGW argument. 🙂
Well done. 🙂
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Energy from the sun is the primary driver and CO2 has no part to play.
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Yup, you really are out of your mind … or just your usual trrolling lies?
China’s domestic coal production graph:
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/coal-production
Global coal consumption graph:
https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960×0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Frrapier%2Ffiles%2F2019%2F06%2FCoal-Global-and-Asia.jpg
The global stall and dip from 2012 to 2017 in production and consumption was the impact of the global experiment with non-renewable and unreliable solar and wind energy [bad] ‘investments’. But everyone now realizes that was one huge red-herring and waste of time and all sensible countries with real engineers (and a love of truth) are now getting back to coal, gas and nuclear electrical power generation infrastructure building for the next half of a century of rising coal demand.
You know, stuff that actually works, 24/7/365, without a need for collectivist subsidies to pretend for wind and solar to be ‘economic’, whilst also destroying the finances of the poorest people in all societies they’ve infested.
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And it’s not just China either, the demand growth is in India, Korea, Russia, and Indonesia.
https://assets.weforum.org/editor/YsCpOVkFEDlnVKFYls84h-8-XN7wrH1vbNDGlbNp6ZQ.PNG
Where’s this mythical drop in demand for coal? In 2019 and 2020 global demand for coal will again reach all time highs.
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“that I’m interested in all sides of a story”
LOL.. you are only fooling yourself. !!
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“to the decline in coal as a power source”
LOL, that complete lack of basic comprehension again
Is it deliberate?
Or are you just a mindless fool ?
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It will be great to see the increase in exports of coal over the next few years
And if they can get passed the green sook tape, a few new coal mines are destined to be opened.
CO2 emissions will continue to climb globally
And there is absolutely nothing your whinging, lying and generally childish carrying-on, can do about it. 🙂
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Pallachook is the bonus cockroach within Australia’s economic meat pie. As soon as Labor loose control of the legislative chambers in QLD new mines of all sorts (and new dams) will start to move forwards.
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Rumours of a few new coal mines open soon in the Hunter Region. 🙂
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Oh Peter, really.
As I have explained a number of times, coal fired power was delivering 70% of all generated power five years ago, four years ago, three years ago, last year, and this year almost finished. So, no matter what renewables have gone in, the coal fired mix has stayed the same, considering the huge amount of renewables put in place in those last five years alone.
The Base Load has remained the same, at 18000MW, not just for the last five years, but for the twelve years I have been doing this. That State to State mix is the same as well.
None of this information, NONE of it at all, is mentioned anywhere else, and without that collected data, none of these trends are visible, and no one specifically collects the data. They just believe what they are told. The media just parrots what they always parrot, because no one checks, well no one knows how to check, and then no one reports on it.
As I have explained also a number of times, there are trends also in renewable power, and they have only become apparent by taking that daily data for four years now on a daily basis, four hours a day, and six hours on Mondays, collating all that data, copying it down, doing all the maths associated with it, analysing it, and finding those trends, and then writing it all down.
A trend with renewable power I have also mentioned often is that no matter if wind power is high or low, it has zero effect on the amount of power delivered by coal fired power. The only place that shows up is in that data that only I collect on that daily basis. That’s not mentioned anywhere else, naturally, but the data shows it to be perfectly true, perfectly.
I have analysed wind power data, solar power data, and coal fired power data, and correlated it all together.
It’s, all of it, contrary to what you say, ORIGINAL work, that no one else does.
Now, again, I can understand that you have no interest one way or the other, because you wouldn’t believe it anyway, but that does not alter the fact that the work has been done, and see the point here.
Without even bothering, you just labelled it worthless, unoriginal, and just cut and paste.
All these twelve years I have been doing this research, it has given me knowledge to explain it all correctly.
Again, as you have zero understanding, and do not even want to understand, you just blindly toss it off, and denigrate the work, and the one who has actually done it. Again can you not see here that THIS is EXACTLY what you yourself railed against all along.
And not once, not ever, has any of my work been on a spreadsheet, again showing you have never even bothered to check.
That’s where I linked references for you, and then you never even visit those references, never, not once, otherwise you would certainly have commented.
So, run my work down all you like, but your cluelessness shows for everyone to see, especially when you have been found out.
And again, see how you just blindly parrot this
Had you even bothered to check, you could quite easily see that there is no decline in coal fired power generation.
You say one thing, and yet you have never even bothered to find out about what you have said.
And you wonder why I have a go at you.
Tony.
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Coal has always been at 70%? You stand behind that? Before renewables what made up the 30%?
As too you statements of no one else
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Australia or
https://www.energy.gov.au/government-priorities/energy-data/australian-energy-statistics
See you make my point
All you really have is resentment, not science or logic
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LOL. second link, Coal 76% in MWh and climbing since a low in 2013.
Poor sad trollette, your foot must be truly sore.. all those bullet holes. !
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oops, that was in the first link.
In the second link….
Black coal electricity up 2.9% in 2017/2018
Gas electricity, up 6.8%
Brown coal , obviously down with the closures of Victoristan
Black coal, brown coal, gas, oil % of electricity: 46.6%, 13.8%, 20.6%, 1.9%
Fossil fuels, 82.9% of electricity supply
hydro 6.1%
wind 5.8%
solar 3.8%
Again, the trollette provides the links that destroy his fantasies.
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Furthermore.
In 2017-18
Black coal electricity increased by 3430 GWh
Natural Gas electricity increased by 3421 GWh
Wind only electricity increased by 2577 GWh
Solar electricity increased by 1523 GWh
So both Black Coal and gas both increased MORE than either wind or solar
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minor correction….
Solar increased by 1858 GWh
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Here is the relevant part of the spreadsheet.
https://i.postimg.cc/yYkwYh6j/2017-18-Australian-electricity.jpg
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Furthermore,
Of the Total Australian energy usage..
Fossil fuel derived products gave us 93.8% of our energy
While wind and solar gave us 1.7% of our energy
Thanks for the links 😉
Maybe you should have looked at more than the propaganda pap in the pretty pictures. 😉
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Peter, your arguments are shining examples of sophistry, not logic, not meaningful.
As a self described ecologist, perhaps it is overly optimistic to presume you actually understand grid power systems.
Your misunderstanding/sophistic attempt/ambiguity lies in presuming that renewable nameplate capacity is equal to thermal dispatchable capacity. It isn’t.
Solar may be available at night because it physically exists, but the solar energy to drive it is not available, so the availability of solar at night is Zero. The availability of Wind is similarly Zero when the wind isn’t blowing. Ie, no fuel ( wind/sunlight) no availability.
The integrated average of actual solar electric production capacity factor is about 20%, for wind , 30%
The integrated average of actual thermal plant production is about 90%-95%.
Thermal plants “back up” the renewable production capacity when they aren’t producing.
Thermal plants provide frequency and voltage support that solar and wind do not provide.
The maximum amount of grid generation capacity that can be provided by wind and solar, without storage, is < 50%, otherwise the grid will collapse because sufficient thermal/hydro backup isn't available. From a practical view, anything over 25% solar/wind is very risky with respect to grid stability.
AU and UK are the "canaries in the coal mine" regarding actual application of large scale wind/solar with inadequate availability of hydroelectric capacity stabilization such as Norway provides to Germany.
It is Winter in UK and Summer in AU. Both circumstances will stress the respective grids. History advises at least one period of 10 to 14 days with inadequate wind. Expect to see load shedding, rotating blackouts and brownouts as they are inevitable under the circumstances.
Spare me the sophistry. Reality is about to teach the UK and AU Greens a painful lesson that everyone must also suffer.
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You do bring a certain cognitive non-functionality to the forum, don’t you.
Incapable of even comprehending what empirical evidence is.
Incapable of any rational though of your own.
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typo….. though => thought
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Guys, i keep telling you……stop engaging with this troll
If you keep nibbling at his bait , and replying, he will play you all over the pond wasting your time and patience.
Totally ignoring trolls like this is the only way to make him go fish somewhere else
Dont read his posts , dont even thumb them,.
just totally ignor him as if he was a bacon sandwich at a jewish wedding !
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Good on you Chad, those atmospheric energy equations still beyond you then ?
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They have always been beyond you.
So has empirical evidence.
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I’m still laughing that Poiter is only here to get some perspective from the other side ! His faceache page is full of left and extreme left orgs .
His references and news sites vary from Getup to Apple news but also the Guardian, Greenpeace etc .
Fitz you’re not here to learn anything and you’re not here to discuss the differences both sides have , you and GeeAye are here to distract and blog clog at least the leaf admits to it .
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I am just wondering if they used the homogenised ACORN 2 dataset to decide that Tuesday was the hottest day.
I can’t imagine it would be a simple calculation with some stations moved and started recording relatively recently.
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calculations are not required when you already have the answer beforehand. 😉
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Imagine wot you can do with a $billion if you just have to make stuff up and are accountable to no one?
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I doubt it George. They would just plug in the daily observations of the 700 plus stations, of which the majority are automatic. They have to wait for the manual stations to report in by the next morning. Before pressing the button they would have to make a “synthetic” estimate for stations which did not make an observation. They would have to revise the program when stations open and close.
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even colder than earlier comment, which is in moderation:
18 Dec: Indian Express: Delhi sees coldest December day in 22 years
This is the lowest the temperature has dipped to since 28 December 1997, officials said, when it was 11.3 degrees Celsius.
The capital Tuesday recorded its lowest maximum temperature in December in the past 22 years, with 12.2 degrees being the highest reading of mercury, India Meteorological Department officials said.
This is the lowest the temperature has dipped to since 28 December 1997, officials said, when it was 11.3 degrees Celsius.
Kuldeep Srivastava, scientist at IMD, said the temperature was also the second lowest since 1992…READ ON
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-sees-coldest-december-day-in-22-yrs-6172397/
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Cold air masses moving down from the Himalayan plateau explains that one.
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They’re over-reacting, it’s almost nothing, the cold remains in the southern foothills, very little on the plains.
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World Snow Roundup #118 – 18 December 2019
https://www.snow-forecast.com/whiteroom/world-snow-overview/
2020 is lining up to be another epic year of pow
if only it would stop snowing in NZ
Friday 20 Dec: Sleet for Crown Range Road summit
Snow to 1,200 m The Remarkables (-6 C minimum)
Snow to 1,200 m Aoraki/Mt Cook (-15 C) -27 C wind chill
summer solstice this Sunday 22 December
the longest day – the day the sun stands still.
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Data can be fudged, massaged, homogenised, lost, ignored, faked, forgotten, or reinterpreted. Don’t trust the data! As Stalin might have said, the data is not important, who controls the data is!
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18 Dec: India Today: Schools in Noida to Remain Closed For Next Two Days Due to Cold Weather
‘All government and private schools across Noida and Greater Noida have been directed to remain shut over the next two days due to cold weather,’ the directive stated.
Ghaziabad DM Ajay Shankar Pandey said, “Classes from nursery to 12th will remain closed due to cold wave conditions.”
Apart from Delhi-NCR, schools and colleges in Gwalior will also remain closed for the next seven days because of the cold weather. In Uttar Pradesh, schools till Class VIII are also closed for tomorrow due to cold weather…
17 Dec: PensacolaNewsJournal: ‘Generosity of this wonderful community:’ Gulf Breeze man pays 36 families’ utility bills for Christmas
by Annie Blanks
Mike Esmond knows what it’s like to not have enough money to keep the heat on at Christmas time.
In December ***1983, he was living in Pensacola with his three daughters when his heat and power were shut off due to bill nonpayment. That Christmas was ***THE COLDEST DECEMBER DAY EVER RECORDED IN PENSACOLA — a bone-chilling 9 degrees, according to the National Weather Service.
“That year, we didn’t have any heat and it was the coldest recorded temperature (in December) Pensacola has ever had,” Esmond recalled. “We had icicles hanging off our windows.”…
https://www.pnj.com/story/news/2019/12/17/gulf-breeze-man-pays-utility-bills-36-families-before-christmas/2663196001/
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more people who don’t want the temperature of the planet lowered by politicians (as if):
18 Dec: SI Live: ‘Extreme cold’ coming for NYC: What you need to know
By Joseph Ostapiuk
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. — Officials are advising New Yorkers to prepare for extreme cold weather as an arctic front is expected to push into the city Wednesday night, causing wind chill temperatures to dip into the single digits ahead of a frigid remainder of the week.
“As cold and blustery conditions move into our area, we want to advise you to take necessary precautions to stay safe. We recommend that you stay indoors as much as possible, but if you have to go out, bundle up and dress warmly,” NYC Emergency Management Commissioner Deanne Criswell said.
“Remember to check on elderly family members and others who may be at risk due to the cold weather,” Criswell said.
The National Weather Services says that wind gusts as high as 45 mph are possible Wednesday night, further chilling the already-bitter low of 16 degrees to a wind chill value between zero and 10 degrees. A hazardous weather outlook warns that snow squalls are also possible into the evening.
A Code Blue notice, which is issued when temperatures are forecasted to drop below 32 degrees between 4 p.m. and 8 a.m., will be in effect for Wednesday night. As a result, no one who is homeless and seeking shelter in New York City will be denied.
“Freezing cold temperatures pose a danger for all New Yorkers, especially those at risk for hypothermia like people experiencing homelessness, those without heat at home, and those who drink heavily or use drugs and may become incapacitated outdoors,“ Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot said.
“I’d advise everyone to stay inside as much as possible. For those who venture out, dress warmly and wear layers. If the heat at home isn’t working, call 311. Stay alert for signs of hypothermia, like intense shivering or dizziness, and anyone who experiences these symptoms should seek medical attention or call 911,” Barbot said.
“And of course, be a buddy and check on family, friends and neighbors — especially older adults or people with disabilities — to make sure they are safe inside and have heat.”
The arctic front is expected to last throughout the week, according to the National Weather Service, with wind chill values remaining in the single digits through Thursday morning…
Officials warn that prolonged exposure to the cold can lead to frostbite, urging New Yorkers to go to the emergency room if symptoms of hypothermia or frostbite are apparent.
https://www.silive.com/weather/2019/12/officials-prepare-for-extreme-cold-weather-in-nyc.html
Washington State:
18 Dec: KXLY: Traveling over the Cascades? Get ready, several feet of snow expected over the next 72 hours
By Nikki Torres
According to the National Weather Service office, Thursday and Friday is when the Cascades can expect the most snow to come down.
Thursday, the forecast calls for heavy snow at 2000-3000 feet. Towards Thursday night, snow levels will rise to 3000-4000 feet.
Friday, heavy snow continues at around 3500 feet for North Cascades, and 4000-5500 feet for Central and South Cascades.
From late Wednesday in to Saturday, NWS forecasts 3-5 feet of snow to come down on Stevens Pass, US-2. If you’re traveling over I-90 along Snoqualmie Pass, 12-18 inches of snow is expected to come down. If you’re traveling over White Pass on US-12, be prepared, NWS is forecasting 2-3 feet of snow.
https://www.kxly.com/weather/traveling-over-the-cascades-get-ready-several-feet-of-snow-expected-over-the-next-72-hours/1152501705
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A severe heat wave had to come along, and a heat wave with a drought, because this is Australia, not Mars or Tierra del Fuego.
And a major flood will come along soon, because this is Australia, not Mars etc…
So why do they do it? The low-level GeeUppers possibly believe that these extremes are somehow new. But what’s the plan behind the incessant beat-ups, with new shades of red, brown and purple blended to order like the BoM was a fashion house?
Well, as a hardened conspiracy theorist I’m free to believe that what gets shoved in my face round the clock by the refuse media has a purpose. Concealment also has a purpose. I get to see Greta, I don’t get to see Yellow Vests. If it’s hot somewhere it tops the news; if it’s cold somewhere I have to check the comments from Pat.
Media’s not that profitable as a stand-alone, nobody works for fun. I’m thinking this is a good summary of what they’re up to, or at least of what they’d like to be up to…https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=715&v=tJE_S-2NOj0&feature=emb_title
Yep, the Earth Dollar. Who could hate that? You invent the value and liquidity (admittedly that’s happening already) and you tie it to the Earth standard (that’s new!). I’m guessing this means an exhaustive inventory of the whole planet thingy…
And you people will have to expect a few controls, a bit of monitoring. You naughty things.
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“I get to see Greta, I don’t get to see Yellow Vests. ”
You don’t get to see that “not Greta” girl that showed up for Madrid – I can’t find a link just now for saving
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Ian, I think you’re referring to Naomi Seibt? While I don’t buy into media personality boosting from any side, gotta say that Miss Seibt is a refreshing change from the scolds and harpies who are always supposed to represent “women” and “young people”. I don’t know if she was dodging the YouTube algorithm with her “coming out” video but she’s certainly got a few clues…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1x0-hzWNE8&t=7s
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Yep. Thanks
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Once again we see the effects of the digital thermometers recording momentary temperature spikes.
Sydney climbed to 37.6 at 12:30pm where it remained until 1:00pm before easing away. The highest recorded temperature was 39.3 at 12:56 and in just 4 minutes had dropped 1.7 degrees. Most people would say it reached 37 or 38 degrees, but tomorrow’s papers will quote the full 39.3 so as not to be forced to round down.
Mind you, we’re still a long way from the 42.2 in 1957….
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According to the MSM today is the second consecutive day of record high temperatures of all time. The MSM tells lies.
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Our interconnection is maxxed out i can feel another black out on its way lol
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SA wholesale price heading for the moon this evening. The 2142MW of wind capacity in SA is making 216MW right now.
The evening peak is about to hit and the wind is useless. All that money for no value.
The Vic link is pushed to its limit. They may eek out a bit more across it as the temperature drops.
Fire up the diesels Audrey.
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Wind power output at 10.1% of installed capacity! Doesnt really surprise me though.
All the secret diesel generators will be firing up for tomorrow. Even saw a stand alone one at the new Swan St-Punt Rd intersection in Richmond, Melbourne, to power the intersection traffic lights! Disguised as a small signal box. The giveaway was the small sign “Caution HOT Surface – diesel generator”
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The Diesel powered Gensets are on now producing 171MW of electricity!
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Total power being consumed right now (5.15PM, Queensland time, the AEMO standard time) is 30300MW. The daily maximum was at around 2PM, when it was 32550MW.
Right now at that 5.15 mark, Wind and both solar are delivering 13%, and both solar are dropping fast.
With respect to coal fired power, it is delivering 19500MW from 44 operational Units with just 4 Units off line. (two in Qld, and one each in Vic and NSW)
Of those Units delivering now, they are running at 93% Capacity Factor.
Wind power is delivering 1413MW, from a Nameplate of 6702MW, so at a CF of 21%, and totalling 4.7% of all generated power.
Note how when huge amounts of reliable power are required, there is only that one source which can actually deliver that.
Tony.
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15.55 Data dashboard
SA $115, both feeders max, just balancing
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Along with that
“David Bidstrup: Climate bullshit alert.”
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/12/19/david-bidstrup-climate-bullshit-alert/
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18:14
$14,700, both feeders max, just balancing
Wind and other a mighty 208
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I wonder how hard those SA diesel gensets are running. 😉
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Operating temperature I’d say
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Well done Jo. What part was it in Orwell’s 1984 where they tried to erase a particularly embarrassing episode in history? Orwell’s predictions were 35 years too early.
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Yes. Down the memory whole, all good for political cli-sci, not good for physical climate science encompassing cyclical climate fluctuations over millennia.
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some wind figures in the comments:
17 Dec: HeraldScotland: Minister wind farm summit pledge over Scots renewables jobs “scandal”
By Martin Williams, senior news reporter
A MINISTERIAL summit is to be held in the New Year following concerns over what the union Unite described as a “renewables scandal” which has increasingly placing Scotland’s green energy revolution offshore.
Unite, one of the country’s biggest unions, called for steps to regain control of the sector earlier this month because of a “smorgasbord” of multinational interests now “calling the shots” in the wind farms sector in Scotland…
It comes as union leaders meet the energy minister Paul Wheelhouse today (Tuesday) following concerns that the first 22 jobs at the beleaguered CS Wind factory near Campbeltown in Argyll have gone – with threats to a further 51 out of a workforce of 94 in what is the UK’s only facility for manufacturing wind towers.
The Herald revealed last month how Scotland had missed out on hundreds of millions of pounds of work in the creation of one one of the country’s biggest offshore wind farms, the £2 billion Neart Na Gaoithe (NnG), to overseas firms.
***In 2010, a Scottish Government report stated the offshore wind sector alone offered the potential for 28,000 direct jobs and a further 20,000 jobs in related industries, as well as £7.1bn investment in Scotland by 2020…
31 COMMENTS AT TIME OF POSTING…WORTH CHECKING.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18105411.minister-wind-farm-summit-pledge-scots-renewables-jobs-scandal/
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17 Dec: World Nucelar News: Viewpoint: EU must include nuclear power in its list of sustainable sources
Climate scientist James E Hansen and others have written to the Financial Times, making the case for the inclusion of nuclear power in the EU Sustainable Finance Taxonomy. The text of the letter, published yesterday, and the list of signatories to it, follows…
LETTER / SIGNATORIES…READ ON
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Viewpoint-EU-must-include-nuclear-power-in-its-lis
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Meanwhile, on the other side of the Pacific, those Canucks and Yanks must be pleased they have Coal and Gas to burn, rather than chopping down the forests.
North America Temp 19 Dec 2019
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Celsius, not F,
minus 2 in Florida
minus 3 in Mississippi
minus 7 in Texas
minus 25 in Colorado
minus 45 in Canada (228 K)
Crisis? What crisis!
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That is amazing, it is winter in USA, who would have thought.
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Its summer in Australia, who woulda thought !
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Just came across this . . .
https://www.outtherecolorado.com/44-degree-temperatures-reported-overnight-in-colorado/
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Gee, who would have guessed it could get so cold so high in the mountains, nearly 9000 feet, wow.
[Behold! The definition of prat before you!] ED
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ED, you are the [SNIP crass] supporting pontification about cold winter temperatures in high mountain places with a cold climate, amazing. And it demonstrates your total bias, not neutral in any way, but that is expected here.
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Lots of cold records set this year in the US.
Cold in other parts of Australia.
Sad you don’t understand the concept of WEATHER. !
Hot here tomorrow, down to low 20’s again Monday, Tuesday.
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No warming over Australia this century.
BOM temperature measurements are totally unfit for any purpose, because a large proportion of temperature sites don’t meet their own specification.
Just a whole heap of UHI warming effect and downwards maladjustments of past temperatures.
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Did you know that the drought is being caused by COOL water above and below Australia ?
Did you know that the intensity of the recent fire, (nearly all in neglected National Parks and State Forests) was because of the green so-called environmental agenda for not allowing winter burn-offs?
Or will you continue to display your abject ignorance of reality ?
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Ah yes, as expected the ED is very thin skinned, (previous reply blocked), ready to abuse but loathing reasonable comment. Merry christmas to you. And BTW what will it take for you to finally get on board with global climate change? I expect the answer is that nothing will convince you.
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Wrong again. I believed in CAGW for 17 years. Is there any evidence that would convince you…?
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Blazing, you are one of many trolls that cannot produce a single scientific paper with empirical evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.
Just “believe”.. its what you are paid to do. !
“I expect the answer is that nothing will convince you.”
How about some actual science instead of rancid AGW mantra regurgitation !
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There is no such thing as global climate change.
The only warming in the last 40 years has come from El Nino events, therefore cannot be related to atmospheric CO2
No warming from 1980-1997.
No warming from 2001-2015
CO2 does not emit below about 11km anyway, and with a mean free path of some 10m at that frequency cannot possibly have any effect.
Get some science, Blazing ranter.
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18 Dec: TechRepublic: IBM announces battery technology breakthrough
by Brandon Vigliarolo
Free of heavy metals and able to reportedly outperform existing batteries, the discovery could potentially make lithium-ion obsolete…
IBM is keeping quiet about how its new battery is made, only saying that it’s made of “three new and different proprietary materials, which have never before been recorded as being combined in a battery.”
The three components, IBM said, can all be extracted from sea water, meaning the environmental damage from, and humanitarian cost of, mining heavy metals for batteries could be eliminated…
It’s easy to get excited about breakthroughs in battery technology, especially if you’re frequently affected by the poor life of today’s batteries. Don’t get ahead of yourself, though: IBM may sound optimistic about its breakthrough but stories like this are nothing new.
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/ibm-announces-battery-technology-breakthrough/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=21798303838444637147652449370598
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Yup.
Now factor in the trials required before it is ready for commercial release, build time for the factories to produce them on a global scale, and the wait that the general population face in while this magic tech gets snaffled up by those with priority access….. Governments and the wealthy.
….. and we still need to build the nuclear power plants to charge them via the grind.
……
and wait while the grid is upgraded.
I’m thinking 10 years as a minimum. More like 20+
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What ever happened to the 53.1c recorded at Cloncurry on 16 January 1889? I see that the BoM now no longer refer to that measurement at all as the hottest recorded temperature in Australia. There was a 51.7c at Bourke, NSW too which was ‘runners up’, and they no longer refer to that either, despite the station being in general conformance to current station siting and installation standards. They now use a 50.7c from Oonadatta.
The Ministry of Truth continues to work unabated.
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UK Time is so disappointing – spruiking solar in the UK is worse than pushing it in Australia:
18 Dec: UK Times: The Times Christmas appeal: pupil power shines through in quest for a better world
Solar panels have turned a school green thanks to ideas from the children and solutions from a charity, Will Humphries writes
PIC: Billy and Thomas, both 11, show off the solar panels that save their school in Wiltshire £1,500 a year.
The children of Ludwell Primary School are so enthusiastic about saving the environment that they write notes to their teachers if they catch them leaving a light on or forgetting to turn off their laptops.
Their campaigning zeal for conserving electricity comes from regular assemblies about creating a healthy planet. If they need reminding of how their small Wiltshire village school is doing its bit to fight climate change, all they need do is look up at a roof, which is covered in solar panels.
The £12,500 cost of the 36 panels was raised by the children with the guidance of Possible, a charity that brings people together to combat climate change and is supported by The Times Christmas Appeal…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/the-times-christmas-appeal-pupil-power-shines-through-in-quest-for-a-better-world-dnxqv6wh6
below the above, all the articles are “sponsored”, including this one:
28 Nov: UK Times: Why electric vehicles are the future of transport
Promoted content
For the planet’s sake, the electric car is going to be a reality for us all. It’s a big challenge, but one we can achieve – and smart meters will help that process
One by one, the barriers to considering an all-electric vehicle (EV) are falling. Home chargers can easily be fitted, and the number of publicly available chargers in the UK – mostly on the street – now exceeds the number of traditional fuel stations. Battery and charger technology means that recharging times are falling too.
Whether you’re buying an EV to save money, out of concern for the environment or both, one piece of tech you’ll want to go alongside it is a smart meter…
You might assume that by buying an EV your carbon footprint will be dramatically reduced. It is a great start, but the electricity still has to come from somewhere, and the charging choices you make will affect the environmental impact of your vehicle. This is where smart meters and smart chargers come in.
Combined with a smart meter, a smart charger will be able to use electricity when energy is greenest and rates are lowest. And in the future when demand is high and supply is low, we could even use our car batteries to power our homes, taking yet more pressure off our energy system, helping towards Britain’s bid to be carbon neutral…ETC
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Dutch farmers aren’t giving up:
19 Dec: Reuters: Dutch farmers block highways with tractors, angry at EU rules on pollution
by Toby Sterling
AMSTERDAM – Dutch farmers and construction workers blocked roads with tractors on Wednesday and gathered outside the offices of national broadcaster NOS in the latest of a series of protests over environmental pollution rules.
The protests began after a court ruling in May found the Netherlands in violation of EU rules on “reactive nitrogen” pollution, sparking a political debate over how to respond…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-farmers/dutch-farmers-block-highways-with-tractors-angry-at-eu-rules-on-pollution-idUSKBN1YM1VW?il=0
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That’s the 4th massive EU farmer protest now since October: 2 in Holland and 2 in Berlin. Go boys.
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Topped 14.7 again leading the nation makes me prouder as punch
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There was a question. Where is Mossgiel? Mossgiel is an intersection where the road from Hillston in NSW joins the Cobb Highway South of Ivanhoe. 3 Jan 2009 … Now the only resident of Mossgiel is Loma Marshall, a retired drover who bought the old post office for $1500 in the 1970s. Mrs Marshall’s …
Mossgiel was named after Mossgiel farm near Lochlea, in Ayrshire, Scotland, the farm of the poet Robert Burns and his brother Gilbert
About 1864 the Desaillys sold Coree and Bundure for a reputed £80,000 and moved further west where they established the Mossgiel and Booligal stations on …
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Not sure if this is fake news or not but bushfires are not counted in carbon emissions but back burning and hazard reduction burns are !
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Wow.
That’s solidly stupido.
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Source is reportedly Peta Credlin .
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According to the BOM it was 50.7 C at Oodnadatta on 2nd Jan 1960 and 50.3C on the 3rd Jan
http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dataDGraph&p_stn_num=017043&p_nccObsCode=122&p_month=01&p_startYear=1960
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Playing with the BOM database after they said Wednesday 18 December was the hottest day ever recorded for Australia. Some simple site specific official BOM statistics for major inland Australian towns and cities, which I know from experience are hot in summer, makes me wonder how they got the national average of 41.9 C. The towns I’m providing information for are not on the coast with the moderating ocean influence but well inland. Some towns recorded above the supposedly official national maximum but most were below it. My simple sample from highest to lowest in some of the hottest regions of Australia.
– Mount Isa 45.0 C
– Kalgoorlie 44.0 C
– Tennant Creek 42.8 C
and towns below the official maximum
– Broken Hill 41.8 C
– Katherine 41.6 C
– Longreach 41.1 C
– Charleville 39.9 C
– Blackall 39.6 C
– Cobar 39.2 C
– Dubbo 38.9 C
– Walgett 37.4 C
– Moree 35.3 C
What explanation can the BOM provide for their assessing the new maximum?
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At the Bom, we are a world leader in climate science and meteorology.
Our expert staff have invented a climate model. It is called the dartboard. We paste the temperatures of our stations on it and 5 of us each throw a dart. This will enable us to study the average score. We then collate the results by inputting our data into a calculator. We are then able to get an average temperature of Australia for that day.
Todays results using our dartboard model:
Five darts thrown and we got hits on
– Mount Isa 45.0 C
– Broken Hill 41.8 C
– Katherine 41.6 C
– Longreach 41.1 C
– Charleville 39.9 C
average temperature of 41.88 C
We just have to round it up by .02 and publish 41.9 C as the official average.
TFX, We never fail to get an increasing average temperature as we are becoming more competent in throwing our darts!
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Where’s Mossgiel? It is a location west of Hillston NSW on the Cobb Highway between Hay NSW and Ivanhoe NSW, that’s where. A search on Google Earth will bring it up.
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Time for an independent weather station network to monitor future temperatures over time. Digital thermometers alongside liquid thermometers, with live streaming of both data (from the digital thermometer) and video from each weather station to a web site. Weather stations situated outside of cities where there is no heat island effect and will not be for a long time. Zero adjustments of temperatures and transparent as possible. Expose the BOM for what it is.
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Some poor brainwashed devil was regurgitating ABC’s climatism on 774 talkback this afternoon and as the pips were sounding for the 18:00 hour that caller delivered the punchline wisdom that the bushfires will be stopped when we fix the climate crisis by introducing a carbon tax.
I’m beginning to see our ABC as a criminal enterprise hell bent on eliminating any vestiges of independent thought in the Australian population.
I didn’t stay for the news bulletin as the impending catastrophe of tomorrow’s above 40°C temperatures was being headlined; clearly intended to induce a sense of panic terror in listeners it generated incredulous disgust in this one.
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Now this is the sort of article we can all use for arguing with. Thank you so much. Will use it at my U3A early next year.
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angech,
University of the Third Age; I assume you an enrolled student, Graduate, Professor, Doctor or a lecturer?
correct me if I am wrong.
You state:
“Now this is the sort of article we can all use for arguing with”
Not really.
Debate, not argue. If you disagree, propose a hypothesis, let a person counter with questions or evidence. Respond in kind with your theory or supporting evidence. Keep an open mind. Respect the process of debate and allow it to be free.
With humble respect. wx
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Skeptical? well yeah.
Why did I sit through scores of exams to achieve a qualification.
“Sydney University of the Third Age (Sydney U3A) offers hundreds of intellectually stimulating courses throughout Sydney. Sydney U3A courses are a wonderful way to acquire new knowledge and skills in an informal, friendly atmosphere. There are no prerequisites, and no exams.”
A university with no exams.
Brilliant!!!
If you want to study and learn at U3A
https://sydneyu3a.org
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Thanks for dropping in angech, something else you might like to take away.
The North Atlantic Oscillation looks set to go negative, which strongly suggests a white Xmas in London. Betting odds are good.
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao_index.html
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Great article – pity our professional “journalists” can’t (or won’t) do their homework!
Plus, bear in mind, the actual maximums in the old days could well have been a few points higher than the official results, given that they didn’t have continuous monitoring to pick the exact peak of the temperature. Which is what they have these days.
Cheers,
Mike
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An old dumb bum like me reckons that the coldest temperature ever recorded on planet Earth (Antarctica – 2 to 3 years ago) would have received more media attention than a FAKED “Hottest Ever” day in Australia.
I was WRONG.
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More history
“Record Heat In Three Australian Capitals”
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/12/record-heat-in-three-australian-capitals/
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Thought people might be interested. It is 7:44 am on Friday 20th here at home. The BOM claimed 44 minutes ago it was 24.8C outside in our vicinity. I went out to check and was immediately struck by how cold it was, even wearing a jumper I started to shiver so I checked the temperature. The thermometer which has always proven to be very reliable read 16.5C. I live 700 meters from the weather station the BOM claimed was recording 24.8C. So a difference of 8.5C over a distance of 700 meters! I know the terrain around the weather station intimately and it is similar to the terrain in which I was standing.
This is the same weather station that recorded 58.8mm of rain for November when my rain gauge at home recorded 127mm (it rains a lot in the dandenong ranges east of Melbourne). How is that possible? Because the rain gauge at the weather station was non functional over several days of very heavy rain (the BOM admitted it to us in response to our complaint) and no correction was made to the data.
They say they can measure temperatures over the entire continent to 0.1C or better yet there is a discrepancy of 8.5C over a mere 700 meters. When does a claim become a joke or worse?
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Michael, this is disturbing, and points to a bigger problem. How would we know? Is it a freak natural phenomenon, faulty equipment, incompetence, or something “else”?
Once trust is lost…
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when it is unattributed, unsupported and on a blog.
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Like all your comments, Hey, GA !!
A JOKE. !
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Every
Last
One
Of
Them
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Hey Gee aye; unattributed and unsupported? Why not look up the BOM Victoria, Melbourne observations and compare the various stations around Melbourne at 7am on the 20th. Too much trouble, let me give you a gist coldstream 12.1, City 15.9, Scoresby 14.5, Avalon 13.6, Moorabbin airport 16.4, Melbourne airport 14.5, Geelong 13.7 Ferny Creek 24.8. Ferny creek is between scoresby and coldstream (I am sure google maps would help you attribute this). Ferny Creek rose from 17.6 to 24.8 between 4 am and 7am yet no other site around Melbourne did so. This is all quite apart from my measurements of course. Then again I think most people would have little trouble discerning the difference between 17C and 25C.
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Drunken postmasters have got nothing on automated gauges. Recently we were awarded a flood on a cloudless day (someone washing his Cessna?). On the other hand, one fall of rain this year was missed.
You’d reckon they’d get this right before moving up to driverless cars and – who knows? – driverless buses. But getting it right is less important to the globos than getting it automated.
The biggest problem with globalism/communism/smartism is not the evil. It’s the bungling.
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Is it possible to accurately calculate an Australia average temperature based on the limited number of data points some of which are 400-500 Km apart? Using kringing techniques does anyone know the standard error of this type of (preliminary) analysis reported by the BOM. My understanding is the further away you are from the data point the standard error becomes significant. Any climate statisticians calculated such an average across a continent? In the USA they seem to use many more data points (over 5000).
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Add BOM
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kenji
December 19, 2019 at 6:24 pm
So … THIS is what the HOTTEST !!!! September … EVER … on Record looks like? Followed by the 2nd HOTTEST November EVER in the HISTORY of the PLANET!!!!
https://www.noaa.gov/news/september-2019-tied-as-hottest-on-record-for-planet
Perhaps it’s best to not take travel advice from NOAA. They seem to be, ah, well, ummm, inaccurate.
https://news.yahoo.com/november-2019-second-hottest-record-us-184751019.html
… adding that polar sea ice also shrank to near-record lows.
YOU are being LIED to!! Manipulated, mutilated, data to “prove” their desired “catastrophic” climate change”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/12/19/y2kyoto-dont-eat-the-tinned-meat/#comment-1268485
I wonder if yhet called “Christmas Turkey” for advice on the ice problem?
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Keith SA gets a new record – with a north wind blowing over a bitumen road just north of the screen
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Yes, I’ve seen the Keith (West) weather site.
My home town of Mount Gambier also set a new record of 45.9C (or 114.6F), at the airport but it’s a legitimate station, last time I looked. Hottest it reached when I lived there in the 1950-70s was 110F. I put this latest (and real) heatwave down to the natural activity over Antarctica in the spring.
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Ken. To be accurate the Keith weather station in the township proper is on the northern edge of the Dukes Highway.
It is also on the southern edge of the Keith railway yard, which is a large expanse of open largely vegetation free gravel and dirt with the main railway line running through it. But your point still stands. I have no information on Keith West weather station.
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I found the notes I made about Keith West in 2011 as part of the Australian Surface Stations Project:
Date: 25 April 2011.
Time: 3:45 pm
Located in Keith Area School in a vegetable garden.
No buffer zone as such.
Buildings close by.
Fails in:
Natural vegetation <10cm, not watered
30m x 30m buffer zone, natural vegetation < 0.5m
360 degree view of sky
Isolated obstruction < 15m high at least 4x height from enclosure
Overall assessment: Class 4 (Class 1 = best, grading to Class 5 = worst)
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Getting hot here today! 42.
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Ditto, and hazy across the paddocks. Not my favourite weather!
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The washing dried to a crisp in about 5 mins flat. An interesting contrast to when it froze solid in winter in England and dried by sublimation!
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Wondering what did they smoke for inspiration to produce these maps
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-is-changing-historical-maps-show-it-s-got-hotter-and-drier-20191220-p53ltb.html
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As Jennifer Marhohasy has observed, Australia has a rather unique method of reporting temperatures nowadays, electing to use the peak reading at 1-second intervals to determine the maximum daily temperature from its fast-response electronic sensors. The “sanity filtering” to exclude outliers is that the temperature must be within 0.4°C of its neighbours … i.e. a 24°C per minute temperature rise is deemed plausible by BoM.
This makes the detection of temperature extremes much more likely, especially in dry regions where turbulent eddies of hot dry air are produced spontaneously. Such a fast response is useless if one is to compare the readings with those of traditional liquid-in-glass thermometers with time constants of several minutes.
BoM is utterly unique globally in the way that it processes and re-processes data. Alas with no transparency nor independent audits.
The other thermodynamic absurdity is the averaging of temperatures of lots of different things to determine an average temperature. The only thing produced by such arithmetic is an “index”, not a temperature. If that index is to be comparable over a long time (i.e. for climatology) then the same things must continue to be measured in the same way. If just one contributor to the index changes, then it produces a different index; one that does not continue the previous index.
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Jo, update to this story, the ABC and UniMelb are fighting back!
You called it two days ago.
ABC this morning:
Mmm, yes, fair point, they are not comparable.
Logically, just as the truth of the claim that Australia is hotter today than 1896 from global warming does not depend on one record high temperature reading at one location on one day in 2019, so the non-standardised configuration of one thermometer location on one day in 1896 does not establish that “the heatwaves we experience today are significantly hotter than those in the past.” A sweeping claim needs input from everything it sweeps. The widespread issue of nonstandardisation cuts both ways in theory.
But systemic biases can be corrected systemically. Are we talking about Bourke specifically, or are we talking about the 1896 heatwave? The heatwave is typically defined by its difference from the climatological average at that location, so the bias of the direct sunlight or nonstandard exposure would be subtracted in that calculation anyhow. That reduces the significance of this exposure bias on the issue of old heatwaves generally.
But there’s something more fishy about the Bourke statement specifically. Ashcroft continues:
Ashcroft should know what she’s talking about here, as she is the first named author on a report summarising the adjustments made by the BOM to past temperature stations and why they were adjusted.
All ancient Bourke basket-cases being biased burned, BOM better be conscientiously cutting cooked data downwards.
What does Ashcroft’s own report say?
The BOM adjusted Bourke January 1896 temperatures by 3.36°, not just 2°. The average adjustment for the year is 2.36°. More amazingly, they adjusted the Bourke temperatures upwards, not downwards. There is no minus sign on that figure. That’s what the good doctor’s report says.
Does the BOM always adjust old temperatures downwards to exaggerate global warming? Apparently not.
But if Bourke temperatures were biased too high in 1896, why were they adjusted upwards in official final figures?
Were there other equipment differences besides exposure that suppressed maximums much more than exposure raised them? Inquiring minds want to know.
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There has not been any “heatwave” at all.
The Climate Fascists, the ABC and the BoM are such dopes!
We have had to wear cardigans every morning throughout this “heatwave”.
The definition of a heatwave is persistent high temperatures during day and night.
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20 years ago I stay the months December and January in the beautiful Victoria.That time they spoke about a hole in the ozone layer over Australia.The sun was burning very much.Still their today a relation between this hole in the ozone layer up to antarctica(but by the latest NASA satellite observations from
8 january 2020 also for a part up to Victoria)and the high climate temperature from today.Frank Liefooghe
Belgium
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