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Chuck DeVore: Texans and Californians learn that wind and solar are neither reliable nor affordable
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/chuck-devore-texans-and-californians-learn-that-wind-and-solar-are-neither-reliable-nor-affordable
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I call this “serving the grid” when it should be serving us.
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I call this capitalism. Pay more for reliable electric service
Its the path to a green future. Make everyone’s electric service intermittent and charge a premium for continuous availablity
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We have been paying a premium for as long as I can remember.
But we weren’t paying for blackouts!
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I am sure the for profit utilities would love this. But as regulated monopolies they are supposed to provide reliable service to all. Of course if people actually want to save money having their AC shut off during heat waves I have no problem with that. Provided that is clearly explained, which was not the case in this case. On the other hand it might victimize the millions of people already living in “energy poverty” so maybe not.
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A wonderful green capital idea to install PV on your roof and make money through a feed in tarriff from 5 -25 years in the future.
That green capitalism is pure magic. Makes money out of nothing where industry cannot go. A truimph of the common man to one up it on the big boys
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Rooftop solar sounds wonderful, except when the roof installation causes leaks or is damaged in storms, or your house insurance premiums rise because firefighters can’t get on the roof to fight a fire, or when the house is up for sale and the buyers want the solar panels removed and the roof reshingled.
Or when the salesman told you the payback period was 5 years, but because of the poor quality solar panels, the pay back period is closer to 25 years.
Rooftop solar, what a terrific idea.
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Only good thing about Rooftop Solar is it shades the roof!
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Hmmm….capitalism at least gives people an opportunity to better themselves, where as socialism is all about controlling people
Marx wrote his manifesto and was paid to do so. Its an anti-human drivel that has no foundation in reality nor any recognition of human behaviour.
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“Green” capitalism = CRONY CAPITALISM
since it wouldn’t survive without government mandates and subsidies (ie blatant market manipulation)
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Gotta luv tha Left! Forever dreaming up ever more convoluted ways to fail.
Here’s an idea. Let’s just supply cheap and reliable baseload electricity in amounts that exceed forecast demand by an appropriate safety margin.
The sane will recognise Coal and Nuclear as ideal solutions for the task.
No need for grifters and carpetbaggers. No need for swathes of regulators and bureaucrats redistributing bags of taxpayer cash. No need for woke, self-flagellating guilt merchants demonising harmless trace gasses. Just no neeed.
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Downflagged for suggesting base electric service is an entitlement?
The possibilty that everyone have equal reliable access to electric service is a socialist expectation.
Having the electric service provider turn up your thermostat is pure green capitalism
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It is not an entitlement, just a rule, at least In the US, where juice is regulated by each State. I suspect your scheme would be politically unacceptable. Except maybe in California.
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Texas is progressive?
I expect that this will become the progressive solution to regenerating baseload
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its progressing into collapse.
But hey, socialism us best modelled as a seagull – it tears everything it touches apart, consumes it ,cr*ps on it, then leaves.
Yep…its a pretty accurate model
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To OriginalSteve. Oh yes the Australian seagull. Much less refined than the Kiwi – one who eats, roots, shoots and leaves. Say hello to your Mum for me. LOL.
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Hi Earl
Its funny how some people just cant help but perfectly reinforce my point….
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Brilliant idea
You pay for say 30 hours of electricity per week at a timescale of the electric firms choosing and can pay for more power in packages of 10 hours whereby you can specify when they are wanted
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Don’t get too cockey. Soon people will get discount pricing for filling up their EVs at for profit charging sites during midday.
Remember, there is no such thing aa free lunch hour
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Hmm. I seem to remember that nuclear power would ake electricty so cheap they wouldn’t bother to charge for it
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TonyB,
The “too cheap to meter” comment is widely quoted. I have never seen its origin attributed to a person with the knowledge and authority to make it. Best I have found is surmise that a newspaper reporter spread it, possibly invented it. Do you have a ref that looks plausible, like a person admitting “I said that at this time and place.”. Geoff S
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Geoff,
There is a history of the “too cheap to meter” phrase at
https://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/2016/06/03/too-cheap-to-meter-a-history-of-the-phrase/
It’s a bit like wind and solar. Proponents say that the wind and sun are “free”. However, they fail to account for the fact that the infrastructure to collect the energy is extremely expensive and the resource is unreliable.
Nuclear is extremely reliable and safe, but it still costs a lot of money to collect the energy from those “free” fissioning atoms.
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That was before they had to pay such high legal expenses to fight off challenges to construction that they could have built ten plants for the cost, and without the additional insurance expenses mandated by law for nuclear but no other system, or the absurdly high regulatory burden imposed on the industry.
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“I seem to remember that nuclear power would make electricty so cheap they wouldn’t bother to charge for it”
I heard that too, Tonyb. It reminds me of the hilarious line that rooftop solar systems pay for themselves in 3 years or, my favorite, carbon taxes are revenue neutral. Hahaha!
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Aside from historical, geographical, ethnic and cultural differences, among others, how else do the following countries – Armenia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Iran, Mexico, Pakistan, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Ukraine and the United Arab Emirates – differ from Australia? Answer: they all have nuclear power. And here’s a list of other countries in the process of transitioning to nuclear: Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, North Korea and Turkey. There are currently more than 400 nuclear power stations in operation worldwide. Why does Australia not see the benefits (and the light)?
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Raving you write
“Soon people will get discount pricing for filling up their EVs at for profit charging sites during midday.”
Soon, in fact now, you can charge your EV at home during off peak times at night
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And when there is no wind at night, the electricity company can use your EV battery as a source.
Too bad about getting to work the next day. !
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In the middle of the night you are using cheap coal power. The reason the price is low is because it’s too difficult to shut down coal power stations each evening … easier to leave them running.
As coal gets kicked out by political forces, there won’t be any more cheap power at 2AM.
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“there won’t be any more cheap power at 2AM.”
On a windless night.. there will be none at all.
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Why not charge your EV at home during the off peak hours at night?
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Using Coal and/or gas electricity, of course !
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Will be so funny watching off peak charging.. Please explain how.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2DFHHA1/inner-city-residential-street-in-melbourne-suburb-of-richmond-with-single-family-cottages-cars-parked-both-sides-and-the-city-cbd-in-the-background-2DFHHA1.jpg
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clarence.t. The future growth industry clearly is ev electric extension leads. Their cycle of innovative development might be something like:
– produce and sell variable length long ev car charging extension leads – win awards for contribution to the environment.
– react to litigation issue as pedestrians trip over leads running across footpaths by producing recycled plastic frames that carry the lead at a height above the footpath – win awards for contribution to the environment.
– react to litigation issue of pedestrians tripping over/hit by fallen recycled plastic frames knocked over by the wind or rubbish collection trucks by establishing joint venture with electricity providers to put ev charging sockets complete with extension lead retractable reel on every lamp post – win awards for contribution to the environment.
The future is an extension.
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Earl, it will be fun to watch this section of where-ever when its all EV.
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DWH4XA/street-parking-between-residential-houses-and-underground-DWH4XA.jpg
Extension cables hung in trees, looking like a Delhi electricity supply !
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/chaotic-cables-for-new-delhi-electric-power-supply-picture-id180515609?s=612×612
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EVs use more power then the average home. With W&S unable to supply household needs, even with batteries, how is there going to be excess power for the EV.
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Sorry Cohenite, hit the red by mistake.
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Tony
Back to putting coins in the gas meter slot?
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Raving, in a true free market, the marketplace delivers goods as quickly as possible, as cheaply as possible, to as many people as possible.
When that doesn’t happen It’s usually because the Government has interfered with market forces which is exactly what they’ve done with the electricity supply.
Had it been left to market forces, electricity would be cheap and continuously available by clean, safe and efficient coal, gas, nuclear and properly engineered hydro (not SH2).
We wouldn’t have our energy supply degraded by the parasitic loads of solar and wind. In addition, the windmills are an eyesore and destructive of bird life.
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“In addition, the windmills are an eyesore and destructive of bird life.”
Coal fired power stations are hardly objects of beauty and are destructive of human life.
Electricity generation remains Australia’s single greatest source of toxic PM2.5, accounting for 8.3 million kilograms of deadly fine particle pollution.
Power stations are also responsible for 49% (360 million kilograms) of oxides of nitrogen (NOx) emissions and 54% (480 million kilograms) of sulfur dioxide (SO2) emissions.
https://www.envirojustice.org.au/coal-fired-power-stations-still-australias-major-source-of-toxic-fine-particle-pollution/
New National Pollutant Inventory data show toxic air emissions from the state’s coal-fired power stations fell 15% in the year to June 2020, but they are still among the most polluting industrial facilities in NSW. [1]
During the 2020 financial year, coal-fired power stations at Lithgow, on the Central Coast and in the Hunter Valley spewed out more than 268,000 tonnes of toxic air pollution including:
102,000 tonnes of nitrogen oxides;
153,000 tonnes of sulphur dioxide;
1,312 tonnes of coarse particles (PM10); and
358 tonnes of fine particles (PM2.5).
“Coal-fired power stations are still among the most polluting industrial facilities in NSW,” Nature
Conservation Council Chief Executive Chris Gambian said.
https://www.nature.org.au/media-releases/2021/04/coal-power-stations-still-emitting-dangerous-levels-of-air-pollution/
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I can see no reason why my comment to David Maddison is awaiting moderation.
It is entirely factual.
I am not insulting anyone nor making false claims nor using abusive or obscene language and as this unthreaded I am not off topic.
Either the moderators do not like the facts I have presented with the source links or are discriminating against me for having views different from most commenters here.
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You poor f******g petal.
How many hundreds of times have the moderators mentioned here in Comments over the years that the algorithm for word structure catches different wording and ….. automatically sends the comment to moderation.
Why is it always ‘you people’ who invoke faux outrage about being discriminated against, and jump wildly to conclusions.
It has nothing to do with what you say.
This site has far far far less discrimination against any commenters than any and every other leftist site.
Pleeeeeease just get over it.
You get to say whatever you want to here.
We don’t even get the chance at any of those other sites.
Tony.
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A poor f*****g petal am I? Pity your vocabulary is so limited.
Looks as if the algorithm doesn’t recognise f*****g. I will remember that next time I read one of your pompous and self important comments.
As for `left leaning sites I doubt you have ever visited one as you wouldn’t want your prejudices to be challenged now would you?
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Oh dearie me, hilarious. 🙂
Well done Tony, you just triggered Ian’s far-left virtue-seeking victimhood.
Hint, Ian.. You will always be a victim of your own ignorance.
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very quick to leap into victimhood
I doubt the quirks of the moderation system , such as it is, are all about you
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Ian
You could get adventurous and do some exploration to maybe help the mods and posters through the WordPress maze.
For an example start at #33 and follow down – or not
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Well you can go to a wind farm and actually point to the bird carcasses on the ground and note directly the background scenery spoiled by the turbines. In the case of the “deaths” from coal emissions you can’t point to anyone but statistical persons numbered by models such as “no threshold to harms” etc. Yes the coal plant does spoil a bit of view, but where I live, there are folks determined to put up a wind farm of 500MW nameplate (so will produce typically 100MW) that covers 26,000 acres and spans about 20 miles of view of the rocky mountains to the south.
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And of course rabid marxists like Ian can totally ignore all the horrendous pollution involved in the manufacture of wind turbines.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1350811/In-China-true-cost-Britains-clean-green-wind-power-experiment-Pollution-disastrous-scale.html
And here’s Eraring power station, surrounded by lush green woods.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Eraring-power-station-origin-energy-canva-optimised.jpg
Nature loves coal fired power, because it provides much needed atmospheric CO2.
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🙂
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A coal plant is a SMALL scar relative power output.
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“and are destructive of human life. “
Names?
Sorry but you are, yet again, so totally wrong that its ridiculous.
Since the advent of coal, and reliable electricity, human life span has double.
See the rapid climb in life expectancy since around 1900
https://inmedblogs.us/nicholascomninellis/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/12/life-expectancy-global-trends-e1543859387318.jpg
Coal is responsible for the development of all western society, even the part that you are part of. You rely on it for basically every facet of your life.
If you don’t like it, turn off your mains switch and go live in a cave, or under a rock.
Without coal, life was and would again, be a desperate struggle for survival.
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“If you don’t like it, turn off your mains switch and go live in a cave, or under a rock.”
Under a rock. I wouldn’t do that as I’d hate to kick you out of your current residence.
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Your 10 year old mind is having a tantrum.. again……. very funny.
It is noted that you could not counter one single point I made.
You love your coal fired power, don’t you Ian 🙂
Totally dependent on it..
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Only because you don’t understand that capitalism is driven by market forces as opposed to the government mandates, subsidies and interventions that drive “green” capitalism.
You rightly denigrate socialism in another of your comments but fail to recognize that “green” capitalism is actually socialism
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Ever heard of essential services?
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Of course, when a coal plant trips and shuts down it is the fault of renewables. A better explanation exists and has been published.
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I think the whole idea of “coal plants” is living in your head rent-free Peter…
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I don’t think his recall goes back to the day when electricity generation was a public utility and was among the cheapest in the world. Oh, and all the mandated feed-ins for the unreliables that disrupts and distorts- a bit like Peter’s mind.
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It’s just another phallacious Phitzroy phantasy.
Dream world.
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And apart from benefiting the cost of living of the people of Australia cheap and reliable electricity attracted many industries like cement and aluminium, steel and many others.
The manufacturing company that I managed was a high consumer of electricity in the factories and in a Sydney suburban example there was a dedicated supply off the local area grid.
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Coal currently providing 86% of power in NSW
If you don’t like it, go and flick your mains switch to off.
But you won’t, will you.
You know you are totally reliant on that solid , reliable coal fired electricity.
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When any tip of generation fails then the remaining plants/units in the mix need to satisfy demand. Coal and Gas plants are generally very good at this as their capacity can be commanded from zero to maximum. Wind and solar , can be commanded within a narrow band depending on the weather and can also be stuck at zero simultaneously. So yes , I suspect they may attract a degree of finger pointing, as really they arent fit for purpose in a high availability grid.
Note SA history, California right now, black out warning from the responsible grid managers in Germany and the teetering winter grid in the UK.
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When France threatened to shut off the flow of nuclear generated power to the UK, they had to give in to fishing rights demands of France. It was give in, or go dark.
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Ah, but wait until all the planned new interconnectors are installed to Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium and (the 4 extra) to France. With the shutdown of coal-fired and nuclear without replacement by gas (uneconomic and troubles with bans on even looking for more) France would be supplying over 20% of the UK’s electricity. It will be “rejoin the EU or else” (assuming the EU doesn’t black itself out).
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Nord Stream 2; the second gas pipeline is pushing ahead from Russia to Germany and onward into Europe, and Russia knows how to turn the screws to get what they want. In 2009 Russia cut supplies to Europe via the Ukraine and 15 countries suffered.
Whilst Trump opposed Nord Stream 2, the Biden government has supported it’s construction.
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mmmmmm wish we could have interconnectors to France
this is something the Spasmodic Power fantasists is Oz selectively ignore. Whatever we do we have to do alone and if they have their way with ever decreasing diversity of supply.
just as well wishful thinking and fairy dust work so well
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Self-reliance is only a dim memory in Europe which is why Brexit caught them so by surprise; going it alone is so ill mannered.
As to our legislators having given priority to sporadic power generators and continuing to honour that stupid decision while watching their country go to hell I am not all that surprised as it’s all of a piece with the accelerating collapse of the anglosphere which is our daily experience.
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“It will be “rejoin the EU or else” (assuming the EU doesn’t black itself out).”
Mr Putin’s gas will take care of that for the Europeans.
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Sooks, they should have dared them to do it then whack the story on the front page of every paper in the land.
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“A better explanation exists and has been published.”
Yes, the effect of intermittent wind and solar on the destabilisation of the electricity grid has been published many times.
The transfer of money from coal to the heavily subsidised green billionaire tax havens of wind and solar have also be well published.
The effect on coal fired power stations continually having to ramp up and down to accommodate erratic but mandated wind and solar, has also been highlighted.
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Peter Fitzroy writes this:
Oh dear!
When a coal fired Unit fails, there’s the loss of 500MW on average.
The difference between the high and the low for wind generation here in Australia is currently averaging around 2000MW ….. ON A DAILY BASIS.
So there’s the loss of the equivalent FOUR coal fired Units, EACH AND EVERY DAY.
The difference between the high and the low for solar plant power each day is 3000MW in Summer, so that’s the loss of SIX coal fired Units EACH AND EVERY DAY.
The difference between the high and the low for solar plant power each day is 1600MW in Winter, so that’s the loss of THREE coal fired Units EACH AND EVERY DAY.
Now. THAT most definitely IS the fault of renewables.
You just can’t help yourself can you Peter Fitzroy. Every single time, it’s open mouth, change feet.
Tony.
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Great way to put it, Tony! Never seen this before and it is dramatic. I will use/steal it.
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Just yesterday Sunday 27 June 2021, the daily maximum for wind generation was 4498MW. The daily minimum for this same day was 438MW.
That’s a difference of 4060MW, the equivalent of the loss of ….. EIGHT coal fired Units.
That minimum of 438MW is at a Capacity Factor of 5.1%, so for every 100 wind towers, only five of them actually had their blades turning over.
All entirely predictable.
You watch those Large High Pressure weather systems approaching, and just know that the bottom will fall out of wind generation. It’s probably now a good thing for the AEMO grid controllers to see also, as they also know when wind will be low, hey, not that they rely on wind anyway.
You’d think that the people who construct these wind plants or those who approve them in Government as well, would wonder about something like this eh! But no, they just go ahead and build more of them, and approve more of them, all in that same area where we now have 61% of all the wind plants in the Country ….. all of them failing at the same time.
Tony.
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I see none of you have the ability to understand why the required capacity is not available when either renewable or coal production falls below demand.
I will make it easy, and for Anton in particular:
1. Capacity factors for all types of generation are known (coal is around 50% BTWW)
2. Peak demand is known
3. Where is the necessary extra capacity to meet points 1. and 2.
4. In Australia and America, except for Texas, the grid handles the capacity question of point 3.
but the problem is always the renewables, not underbuilding capacity, not integrating into a national grid, or legislation which allows this failure.
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Ahh Fitzroy, caught out again eh: (my bolding here)
Like I said, Maths has taken the great leap forwards right out the window these days so it seems.
The year round Capacity Factor for coal fired power here in Australia is 66%.
Here’s the link, Peter. All you need here are Maths skills. Current Nameplate for coal fired power in Australia is 23000MW. You do the Maths.
Tony.
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Waste of time trying to teach people like PF the facts. They live in a world of their own where 1 = 0.
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I mean, what’s the point? He is continually corrected on almost everything but it goes in one ear – out the other.
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Oh I see, a link to your site, so given you did not get your previous calculations on Coal CP right, what chance now.
See this link
https://www.energycouncil.com.au/analysis/capacity-factors-understanding-the-misunderstood/
Mind you gas is even worse at around 15%
But Renewables
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Again, you are totally wrong, and deliberately so.
The person writing that trash is deliberately misrepresenting the reality, and I’m guessing you know that.
Gas may only used 15-20% of its nameplate, but it is capable of 100% of nameplate on demand..
Coal capacity factors are down only because they are forced to make way for wind and solar.
Both are entirely necessary back-up for the inadequacies of wind and solar.
Wind can never be capable of any amount on-demand
Gas is currently carrying 99% of South Australia’s electricity.. because it has to. There is no wind.
https://i.postimg.cc/3RYL0fZR/SA-Gas-27-June.jpg
NSW 88% Coal + gas, some hydro, but only 3% wind.
Victoria, only 2% wind
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Gas is around 99% in South Australia right now
https://i.postimg.cc/3RYL0fZR/SA-Gas-27-June.jpg
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You can’t make the wind blow harder, the sun shine brighter, or the tide stop coming in or going out, that’s just how it is.
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Umm, that’s not my site Fitzroy.
It’s an independent site run by green lefty’s who support renewables.
Proves yet again that you do not take links, no matter how many times you ask for them.
Look, if you don’t understand the Maths, that’s okay.
Unlike you, I don’t need green ‘handlers’ to tell me what to, or what site to link to, as what you see at that site I linked to is actual data, and the Maths is worked out from the data. I know that concept is beyond you, using real time data to work things out, as you prefer it three or four years old.
And please, stop calling me a liar, and making up things about me, in attempts to smear me.
Oh, and Peter, I have debunked your link you have given here on a previous occasion. Where you falsely mention the CF of 50%, that is of ALL power plants, not just coal fired plants, and had you bothered to look a little further down the page, you would have seen the correct CF given, and hey, who cares, your link (as I said above) is four years old. My data is as of yesterday.
Tony.
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Hey Peter, did you know..that for South Australia…
Did you also know that they are currently using 98% gas…
… because they have to !
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Says;
“Mind you gas is even worse at around 15%
But Renewables”
Thank you P PhitzRoy. I agree but believe that you are understating the figure which was actually 15.69% . Why the understatement and why is there the unfinished statement about “renewables”?
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Just an affected form of expression, wasted on this audience.
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In the US, baseload coal plants usually run a CF over 80% so I wonder why yours is so low? I can think of several reasons. You may include old iron that seldom runs. You may have big seasonal differences in demand. Or you are curtailing coal to make room for mandated renewable generation, when it occurs.
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Or PHitzroy is a PHool.
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That’s not phunny.
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David,
We currently have 23000MW of Nameplate for coal fired power here in Australia.
Units are regularly off line in the benign Seasons of Spring and Autumn, doing critical maintenance in the lead up to Summer, and Winter when it’s as many hands on deck as can be mustered. It’s more critical these days because in earlier times there were rolling reserve Units to take up the slack. No such thing as rolling reserve any more, so when they are off line, Natural Gas fired plants take up that slack, at an increased cost. Also, you would be seriously surprised at just how many Units in NSW and Queensland are off line for Upgrades to umm, extend their lives. Hmm, who would have thought eh!.
So, of that Nameplate of 23000MW, coal fired power (just coal fired power) there is usually around 18500MW to 19500MW on line at any one time. (currently 18600MW with 10 Units off line across the three States, six of them either closed due to floods, or an explosion) That on line Nameplate cycles each day as it perfectly follows the actual load, ramping up from 4AM onwards for the usual morning peak, then ramping back after that, till around 4PM, when it begins to ramp up again for the usual evening peak, and then slowly ramps back to the daily 4AM minimum again, the Base Load. At that 4AM mark, coal fired power operates at around a 78% CF. At the morning peak, 88% CF, in the mid afternoon, 75%CF, and at the evening peak, around 95% CF. The daily average CF for all online plants is around 80%, and can be as high as 85% on some days of the year, and just in the State of Victoria, it regularly operates above 90% to 95%
Now, I mentioned that there are plants off line for maintenance, or blown up, or flooded out, or half rat power and Units off line more than on, (Liddell) so taking all of that into account, the yearly CF for all of coal fired power is that figure I mentioned above of 66%.
I might think it would be similar in the U.S.
ONLINE plants will be operating around 80%, because of that daily ramping, and that daily ramping for coal fired power is nothing new, as it happens everywhere, and has been happening everywhere since the dawn of coal fired power, the fact that it follows the Load each and every day, something we are told, ad infinitum does not happen with coal fired power.
When everything is taken into account, then the year round CF would be around that 66% to 70%, even in the U.S.
That’s why it’s a misunderstood thing, using the year round CF for coal fired power of the lower figure, when those off line reasons are not taken into account.
Now, you may think I’m cherry picking using that argument selectively for coal fired power, and that’s not the case. While ever coal fired units are on line, feed in the coal, and they operate as designed, delivering power. Wind generation is always capable of delivering power all the time, just waiting for its fuel to blow, and solar power just waiting for the Sun to rise in the morning, or the clouds to go away, or the rain to stop.
Tony.
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Tony, I have noticed that black coal in NSW and Qld tends to ramp up and down,
.. while brown coal in Vic is always basically constant.
Is that to do with the type of power station/fuel, or some other reason?
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clarence.t
Say, who would have thought that people actually notice that these days. (Shh! Don’t tell anyone. Someone might ask questions.)
It really has not much at all to do with design, but hey it shows that even those near 50 year old Units can still operate around 100% of their Nameplate.
No, why they run at around 96% of Nameplate these days is due to that fact that since Hazelwood was
blown upclosed down, Victoria is pretty much strapped for power, and they need all they can get.So, after every Maintenance outage, they fire back up, run up to around 100%, and just stay there, day in day out. They wind back a little on weekends sometimes, but most days, it’s a straight line across the page for power delivery.
Tony.
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How can you hope to explain something that you just don’t understand PF.
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Wrong as always.
Coal fired power plant regular run at over 90% nameplate…. because they can.
Wind and solar are limited to what the weather can provide, often well below 10% nameplate
You cannot measure the capacity factor of coal by “the amount produced over nameplate”, because they are regularly being throttled back to make way for erratic wind and solar.
NSW regularly has 90% plus of coal fired power
Qld, ditto
SA they have Gas back-up capable of providing nearly all their meager needs, because they know they have to.
If Texas has been stupid enough not to have 100% back-up of wind and solar by reliable supplies, that’s their fault.
Yes, the problems are absolutely down to wind and solar erratic intermittent supplies destabilising power supply grids.
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NSW currently 80% coal
Qld 80% coal plus gas
Vic 88% coal plus gas
SA 83% gas.
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So according to Peter Fitzroy only he has the ability to understand what he says.
🙂
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“the ability to understand what he says.”
Its pretty obvious that even he doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. !
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It may seem harsh to some that Peter gets such a bagging for being a dill, but it seems such people have been subject to nonsense for most of their lives. Think ABC, greens and socialists.
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Baby steps PF… learning takes time. Here is a short video on how to learn to say No… YW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2picMQC-9E
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The thing about unreliables, you can’t ‘call’ on it for extra power, you get what it wants to give you and no more, might be some , might be not much.
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It’s because the unreliables can just die out on you when you need them the most, nothing much you can do about it, just is, at least nuclear has 93% CF.
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Peter,
Citizens do not visit countries (Pakistani, Congo, India, South Africa, and so on) that have weekly hours long blackouts to understand how brownouts kill industry and make life very difficult.
Can you imagine what would happen if New York city for example lost power for a couple of days.
Traffic lights require electricity. Gas stations require electricity. On and on.
Wind and solar require 100% backup because unfortunately it gets dark ever night and from time to time and for days at a time, there is a lack of wind in large regions of most countries.
The word ‘capacity’ …. Has a different meaning for a wind turbine (intermittent power producer) as compared to a power plant (which is capable of producing power 24/7 with defined specific limitations.)
A coal fired power plant is a ‘power supply’. It can supply up to the capacity of the power plant 24/7 except during scheduled maintenance and from time to time will be shutdown due to unexpected control or equipment problems.
The reliability of all coal fire power (that segment of the electric grid) increases as the number of coal fired power plants increases. That is not true for wind turbines or solar panels.
A wind turbine is not a power supply.
A wind turbine only provides power when the wind blows and the amount of power produced is dependent on the wind speed cubed. Wind turbines must be stopped when the wind is blowing too hard.
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And when ‘unreliables’ fall below 10% of nameplate every week? What is that called Peter?
Is that the fault of fossil fuels?
Could it be a design issue?
How reliable are your ‘unreliables’?
You are gaslighting with no facts to back up your precis – as usual.
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Currently…
SA 93% GAS…
NSW 86% COAL…. that will likely go over 90% this evening as the tiny amount of solar electricity disappears.
Qld 79% COAL
Vic 85% Coal + gas
Where would we be now without such reliability of fossil fuel electricity supplies.!
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Can you identify any who have BLAMED renewables for a coal plant tripping? The accusation, and a fair one, is that renewables can’t help restore normality. It is always done by increasing coal/gas output.
But you demand that coal/gas be there every time the wind drops or the weather closes in.
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Reminds me of the tradesman: I’m good, cheap and fast. Pick any two.
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I wonder how many electricity consumers understood how wholesale pricing works, they sure did after the Texas ‘Big Freeze’.
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The Real Cost of Wind and Solar
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/25/the-real-cost-of-wind-and-solar/
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Good news for a change. My latest scribble:
https://www.cfact.org/2021/06/23/green-mania-hits-the-wall-of-nothingness/
Go nothingness!
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Legend, slam dunk proof that nothing does exist !
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Has Sydney really gone for another hard lockdown? Is anyone here affected?
https://www.rt.com/news/527653-australia-sydney-lockdown/
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tonyb,
Heard anything about heavy lockdowns in UK to start 15 July?
Leaked memo?
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John
I have heard nothing at all about this.
If it were necessary it would be a huge failure of the vaccination programme as by that date something like 80% of Britons should be double vaccinated by then.sounds unlikely to me.
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Thanks.
BTW, I was in a grocery today.
Masks were only required for the ‘unvaxed’.
Almost everyone had a mask on.
So, almost no one there was vaxed?
Or …
the vaxed don’t think the vax works.
It is unclear to me what success looks like.
(We might also need to consider that our political leaders are incapable of shame.)
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It seems covid is just the driver to push people toward the vaccine…..
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This is useful info.
There appears to exist an emeging risk the powers that be may attempt to create a larger issue than really exists, effectively to panic the population into taking cov19 experimental vaccines.
Knowledge is power..
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/06/24/doctors-from-yale-and-ucla-there-are-concerns-about-the-vaccine-officials-may-not-be-telling-you-about-n2591466
“”Four serious adverse events follow this arc, according to data taken directly from Vaers: low platelets (thrombocytopenia); noninfectious myocarditis, or heart inflammation, especially for those under 30; deep-vein thrombosis; and death. Vaers records 321 cases of myocarditis within five days of receiving a vaccination, falling to almost zero by 10 days. Prior research has shown that only a fraction of adverse events are reported, so the true number of cases is almost certainly higher. This tendency of underreporting is consistent with our clinical experience,” they write
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None of the mRNA vaccine suppliers claim that the jabs confer immunity.
These “vaccines” are better described as medical devices designed to reduce the severity of symptoms.
The double vaxxed are thus quite capable of catching and spreading the virus.
This allows the authorities to play a double game – get your jab so we can all get back to normal (pretending they will give full immunity), but (admitting the truth) you will also need to continue all the restrictions because the vaxx won’t give immunity.
The idea that our leaders are aiming for “success” is based on an assumption that they have our health and freedom in mind. All the evidence is against this assumption.
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Correct. So why bother?
Its a shell game. Get people panicked and they will go along with anything, then community pressure by unthinking twits pressure smarter people. Its a big game
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/covid-19-vaccination/after-you-get-the-covid-19-vaccination
“The vaccines have only been shown to prevent the disease (COVID-19) caused by the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.
“At this stage, it’s not known whether they will stop you from catching or spreading the virus.
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Actually, if you read the above advice, one one hand it appears to say :
“The vaccines have only been shown to prevent the disease (COVID-19) caused by the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.
But then it says :
“At this stage, it’s not known whether they will stop you from catching or spreading the virus.
So prevent…but hang on…it wont stop you from catching it – um… isnt that the point of a vaccine?
Um….I shake my head….it appears to be very muddle headed….
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Actually, here is a big fat “why bother with Cov19 vaccines”….
Imagine presenting this as a business case?
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/covid-19-vaccination/after-you-get-the-covid-19-vaccination
“Am I exempt from restrictions once vaccinated?
“At this stage, restrictions will still apply in your state or territory.
“This is because both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines have only been shown to prevent illness — severe illness, in particular — from the disease named COVID-19, which is caused by the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2.
“It’s not yet known whether these vaccines prevent transmission of the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) that causes COVID-19. You still need to follow restrictions after being vaccinated.
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Apart from the contradictions they come up with, there is a lot they don’t tell us simply because they don’t know themselves. It’s one big con job that’s for sure. What’s even more ironic is the fact that there have been no deaths due to the virus here yet there have been deaths reported due to the vaccines. On the balance of probabilities then one has to say we should not be taking any C19 vaccines at this time.
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This year so far that is.
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Is Mandatory vaccination is coming?
Ok, do lets look at a mythical kingdom with a mythical king. The king was well meaning but easy prey to his evil “advisors”. The advisors were mad men who honestly believed they had a mandate from thier blood thirsty evil god to kill as many people as possible by sneaky means.
So they invented an illness and promoted it throughout the kingdom, but used the fairly tame sickness as a way of giving everyone in the kingdom a slow acting death dressed up as a cure, which they had made people want by scaring them into wanting it.
Everything was going well for the evil people, but it wasnt fast enough, so they said “let us force some people to get the “cure” by making it mandatory” . And so ut was. The good king signed this off, but the evil people had no intention of leaving it there….they started small to get the sheeple used to it, then slowly widened the list of mandatory recipients more and more, and people didnt care as there were enough people still “as they came for them, but didnt speak up”
And so the net went wider and wider. Sadly, in the night time, occasional gun fire could be heard as resistors stood up for themselves and were “cured” permanently.
And so many many people became very very sick and died. The evil advisors eventually started wearing skulls on thier lapels as thier true colours emerged and they realized and “naughty” people had to spend time in special camps to see how silly they had been….
How does the story end?
Thats up to the residents of the kingdom …
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Suggestions that Hancock might have ****’d that too
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On two days last week our beloved premiere gave us the news that there had been 40,000 and 46,000 tests done to detect CV19.
At $50 a scrape the cheapest day would have cost the nsw taxpayers only two million dollars to detect the ten or eleven “cases”.
That’s not much, is it.
But wait, there’s more.
If the same rate of essential “testing” was done for the whole month the taxpayers would be up for approximately $60 million.
When “Vaxxines” are added the cost grows, and grows.
And we pay and pay, and become “locked_down”.
Thank you to our ever present government.
We appreciate your sacrifice.
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The scandal is that antivirals are so cheap but not studied or allowed.
But in a world where we are not permitted to use the cheapest drugs, the $2m in tests is a bargain compared to the chaos and business loss that will follow from those 11 cases. All you need is one of those 11 to be a superspreader and in a few weeks 1 case becomes 200 becomes 2000 becomes a three month extended shut down, or else the rest of Australia locks the door to NSW while the virus runs, and hospitals gets overwhelmed.
Just sayin… If I liked lockdowns and wanted to hurt Australian business I would discourage early mass testing. 🙂
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The reality is that early lockdowns prevent long lockdowns.
Getting away a bit from the endless argument with people who want to let a Bio Weapon “Just run it’s coarse”,this video seems to be explaining that the vaccinations may be triggering long covid in people who never had the disease. Trouble for me is the technical jargon is way over my head.
I hope someone like Jo can interpret.
“Spike Proteins In Immune Cells – Dr. Bruce Patterson Discusses COVID Long Haul”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjJs5ZHKJI
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Thanks Siliggy, I’ll have a look tomorrow….
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Received email from Service NSW
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And some more for Regional NSW
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Thanks for that. Sounds quite draconian . I wonder what the reaction will be if the infection spreads and many more get the virus?
Seems a possibility as I understand the vaccine roll out has been limited presumably due to govt complacency or perhaps the residents have been reluctant to come forward?
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Perhaps many Australians are now aware that these things are experimental and they don’t don’t feel like being the guineapigs in a mass trial without there being very well-defined benefits for doing so. I’m certainly one of them. When goalposts are frequently moved and governments are shilly-shallying, what do these wishy-washy governments expect?
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Assuming this can be verified as correct, then the cov19 vaccine existed **before** the declared “pandemic”.
If so, it appears to imply possible foreknowledge of the event…..awkward…
https://greatgameindia.com/moderna-vaccine-north-carolina-university/
“Secret Docs Reveal Moderna Sent Coronavirus Vaccine To North Carolina University Weeks Before Pandemic
“June 20, 2021
“A confidentiality agreement shows potential coronavirus vaccine candidates were transferred from Moderna to the University of North Carolina in 2019, nineteen days prior to the official emergence of Covid-19 pandemic.
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Our so called medical chiefs and experts are certainly hiding a lot of the truth from us.
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Public Health Act 2016 (WA) – Instrument of Authorisation – Authorisation to Supply or Administer a Poison [SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19) VACCINE – Australian Defence Force] (No.2) 2021
Documents
Public Health Act 2016 (WA) – Instrument of Authorisation – Authorisation to Supply or Administer a Poison [SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19) VACCINE – Australian Defence Force] (No.2) 2021
PDF (4.7MB)
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So WA has written this legislation.
Does it override or contradict the federal legislation under which the ADF operates.
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I saw an ad on a commercial tv channel for some lame movie that appears to mock anyone who dares question the vaccines as a loopy “conspiracy theorist”.
Hmmm…presumably thinking for yourself and questioning a dangerous experimental thing ( the same being endorsed by vacuous celebrities who no one will miss, once gone ) is actually “dumb” these days?
Or have I missed something?
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I’m sorry, people have lost their minds.
No dancing.
No singing.
Virus spreads when standing.
One foot half as safe.
Chairs only, no bar stools, ’cause that’s half standing.
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Reply to John R Smith
I’m sorry, people have lost their minds.
Arrived in Brisbane Wednesday Afternoon from Sydney, with QLD Stasi “G” approval to enter (12 Hours before Lock Out to Sydneysiders)- met by swarm of QLD Stasi with short connect time
Poor teenagers behind us had wrong approval form and were being sent back.
Fight back from Brisbane to Sydney Friday afternoon cancelled, but rescheduled quickly to later flight which was chockers – thankfully got home before full Sydney lockdown and would have had to isolate 14 days in Mackay.
Enjoyed brief time in Mackay, very much like Northern Beaches, lots of young people and Mining Employment very evident – a really nice place.
Re your comment I’m sorry, people have lost their minds.
The questions I would like answered are
1. How many Covid Positive are in NSW Hospitals?
2. How many Covid Positive in ICU in NSW?
3. How many Deaths in 2021 in NSW from Covid.
4. Why in the heck are we locking down for so few cases in NSW?
I watched Sky News Friday night Glady and Health Lady press conference, and the Press were like a Pack Of Jackals
pressing for Lockdown, when they have no skin in the game – they have lost no Income and do not run businesses.
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Old,
If answers to questions 1 thru 3 are unavailable, then the answer to question 4 is pretty ugly.
Simple lost minds would be the more palatable explanation.
Wow.
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might add 5. How many deaths this year from vaccine complications?
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Answers to Old..
1…0
2….0
3….0
4….?.
5….2
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“4. Why in the heck are we locking down for so few cases in NSW?”
To keep it that way. Not locking down results in numbers that very quickly grow.
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Oldauzzie @ #4.2.2.1 said:
Follow the money … do they make lots more sales in a lockdown? Is it a cash-cow for them?
Or do they get more pay for working from home? (an alternative/different cash cow!) Or danger
money for dodging infection on the (deserted) Covid-ravaged streets?
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America’s Frontline Doctors, that brave group of physicians who have resisted the enforced party line on COVID, has published a video from Britain that takes 3 minutes to show that the appearance and rapid spread of the delta variant in England has led to a decline in hospitalizations and deaths. It is well worth watching as it methodically graphs the data on Covid there, proving that the scaremongering is deceptive propaganda.
Here is the video:
And Dr. Fauci issued a carefully worded statement that included the words “greatest threat” in discussing the delta variant:
“The Delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,”
Pay close attention to the care with which Fauci specified that “our attempt to eliminate COVID-19” was what was threatened. The delta variant is even more transmissible than earlier versions of the virus, but the other side of that coin is that it is weaker, less lethal.
Update: This is just disgraceful! Joe Biden claimed that the delta variant is “deadlier.”
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Thanks. That’s quite clear and not surprisingly just what was expected; less deadly and less damaging.
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Also; if that’s what happens with the Delta strain, I can hardly wait for the Epsilon version to get here.
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OldOzzie are you sure? Another interpretation could be that the vaccinations & acquired immunity are working in the UK. In South Africa, (where the vaccine rollout is minimal) the delta variant is flooding Jo’burg hospitals.
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Madness. I’m up NQ admiring the Reef from my 5.2.metre Quintrex and catching some nice fish after spending 2 weeks at Karumba Point.Life 2as meant to be uncomplicated and easy. My good Frau and I might extend another fortnight and wait for NSW to settle. Dingo Beach pub and State of Origin and the footy provincialism..ahh.
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Hey Hanrahan, am I on your turf?
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You must be close inshore with a 20+ knot wind outside. Take care, the tides can be tricky around the islands, but always happy to see visitors enjoying themselves.
Any big trout or wrasse feed the flaps to the cat for a safety check first. 🙂
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Good oh . Lee side of Gloucester Island with minimal wind. 5knts inshore and 25 at Hamilton. Mackerel around but have nailed a small Trout and a couple of gold Trevally. Good to be up here gain.
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more from morning news
https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-coronavirus-update-12-new-cases-lockdown/e69f6c50-92eb-458c-8646-e4a45af91fd1
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Not me really. My lungs are improving, so have no difficulty wearing a mask now. Going to work as usual, tomorrow. Won’t be wearing a mask because I work outdoors.
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Glad you are feeling better now scaper.
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I’m in Wollongong just south of Sydney
We are in hard lockdown same as greater Sydney
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According to the maps you are Greater Sydney. Although the Gong used to be separate, the houses dont stop apart from the national park.
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Motorists caught driving outside of the lockdown areas as in idiots attempting to escape to a country destination are being pulled over by the highway patrol, number plate recognition technology equipment in all highway patrol cars, the driver fined $11,000 and sent home.
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Yes…you need to keep the Stalag escapees in line by emptying thier wallets…..
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The UK police have raided warehouses of XR in order to preempt their next rally rumoured to be in conjunction with BLM
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1454924/london-news-met-police-raids-extinction-rebellion-protests-weekend-breaking-news
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The GBNews interview with tge XR rebellion was telling. He cam scross as a right tosser.
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Came across (fat fingers)
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Tens of thousands of freedom marchers parade through London
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9728185/Tens-thousands-anti-lockdown-protesters-descend-London-demand-Matt-Hancocks-arrest.html
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Meanwhile in the UK, covid R is 1 or greater for 4+ weeks now. You are headed for another wave
Its a bit alarming given that vaccinations are supposed to attenuate the virus transmission
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases#card-recent_7-day_case_rates_by_specimen_date
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Raving
The large daily case numbers are an artefact of 1 million tests per day, four times that of Germany. Deaths remain low as do hospitalisations. Those in hospital are overwhelmingly those who have not had two vaccinations.
Covid is currently the 24th largest cause of death, excess deaths are below the 5 year average and flu is currently supposed to be 10 times greater than covid
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/22/flu-pneumonia-deaths-now-ten-times-higher-covid/?utmsource=email
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Look at the “% change”. It has been increasing (+ve) change for 6 weeks now. That is not a sampling artefact unless these sampling increases each day for 6 consecutive weeks straight.
I don’t argue about hospitalizations, deaths or who is getting infected here. I simply don’t know
It’s juat that a reproductive rate > 1 for months on end is the signature indicator of a future wave in the making. If the R value doesn’t drop below 1 soon, the exponential increase will continue and mega cases will flood the country
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“mega cases will flood”
Sounds scary.
What’s a ‘mega case’?
“A future wave in the making” also scary.
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For the government it is scary because R>1 means unchecked exponential growth and a loss of control.
Whether the government chooses to delay opening, roll back to stricter lockdown or let it rip to a full bloom is their choice. Being deliberate about the decision and following up on it is to regain control or rather to be proactive.
Being doubly vaccinated I worry slightly and also have no idea about what will happen.
R>1 in Israel too. They reimposed masking indoors. As with the UK about half those newly infected have been double vaccinated.
Hopefully the coming wavecwill be mild minimal and skewed torward those who can better cope with the infection. The scare here is the fear of the unknown
If you live in Australia It must seem quite surreal. Your lockdowns and enforcement are more severe than anything I have experienced. Can’t imagine how severe restrictions would get in a full blown breakout
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Considering the vaccines only suppress symptoms, logic says it will make no difference to the number of cases.
Its like the emporers new clothes …and people also seemed to be trained over the last 30 years pavlovian-style to unthinkingly take a vaccine.
Ergo, if the vaccines dont work ( logically they cant ) so they have to keep making up “variants” to explain the number of cases and keep the lockups going.
Its the perfect sc*m, but the public are key players as they aren’t thinking critically at all.
All people have to do us say “This is BS” and the spell is broken….
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Check table 3 of section 4.4 Outbreak prevention and control studies
Of this UK government study (look in the study to see it properly formatted)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/events-research-programme-phase-i-findings/events-research-programme-phase-i-findings
Over 53,000 people attended these events for a total of 28 infections (11 index, 17 secondary)
Event Event Outbreak Control Measures PCR Test Return Rates Cases Associated with Events
Tickets Included in analysis** (+ scanned* LFT-ticket linked (before event*) Pre-event +ve LFT PCR days -1-3 ‘pre-event’ PCR days 4-7 ‘post-event’ Both tests done: ‘pre’ and ‘post’ Index cases Putative secondary cases
The Good Business Festival
Venue: ACC Exhibition Centre 149* 97%* 0 65 (44%) 68 (46%) 51 (32%) 0 0
Circus Presents ‘The First Dance’ (Circus Nightclub), Night 1 3140* 97%* 1 353 (11%) 830 (26%) 227 (7%) 2 3
Circus Presents ‘The First Dance’ (Circus Nightclub), Night 2 3872* 98%* 0 312 (8%) 1185 (31%) 237 (6%) 1 4
Sefton Park Pilot
Venue: Sefton Park, Tented stage 6101* 98%* 4 1587 (26%) 2739 (45%) 1245 (20%) 1 1
Snooker Competition
Venue: Crucible Theatre 7,483 76% 2 1237 (17%) 1006 (13%) 603 (8%) 1 5
Emirates FA Cup Semi-Final
Venue: Wembley stadium 2,564* 86% 1 451 (18%) 467 (18%) 171 (7%) 0 0
Carabao Cup Final
Venue: Wembley stadium 6,526 87% 0 555 (9%) 1489 (23%) 198 (3%) 0 2
BRIT Awards
Venue: The O2 3,312* 91% 0 1684 (51%) 1268 (38%) 1,125 (34%) 0 0
Emirates FA Cup Final
Venue: Wembley stadium 16,197 88% 2 4446 (27%) 4111 (25%) 2701 (17%) 6 0
Reunion 5k
Venue: Kempton Park 1,975* 96% 0 1,454 (74%) 1,308 (66%) 1,206 (61%) 0 2
Total 51,319 10 12,144 (24%) 14,471 (28%) 7,764 (15%) 11 17
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From the summary of that article section
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Reply to Analitik 2:48pm
How does a PCR test justify the statement ‘considered potentially infected before..’?
I suspect there is cross-contamination between patient history, PCR result, and official pronouncements.
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That’s worth “superspreading” exponentially and it’ll certainly show up in the crop yields in a few weeks.
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A mega case is a really large suitcase… 🙂
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Ora ballot resevoir in Georgia
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Or a ?
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It’s amazing that covid can find a continuous web of people to infect in the UK considering we are told “84.6% to 88.5%[of adults] would have tested positive for antibodies against coronavirus – SARS-CoV-2 – on a blood test in the week beginning 7 June 2021” aquired one way or another.
No doubt as per the start of the last wave the spread is in young people, but this time instead of frustrating it the sensible thing is just to let it burn through, to avoid yet another wave later. It represents near zero risk to this demographic, and IF the vaccine is effective, covid has nowhere else to go now in the UK, or cannot overload the NHS at the very least. Citing potential “long covid” is not valid, most get over that after a few weeks, months at the most. Post-viral fatigue is perfectly normal – as well as organs being damaged by the infection the immune system can overreact for a while.
https://www.nbt.nhs.uk/our-services/a-z-services/bristol-chronic-fatigue-syndromeme-service/post-viral-fatigue-a-guide-management
Some UK hospitals are under strain from kids, but not so much covid. RSV or the good old fashioned ‘lurgy’ as it is affectionately known (and some of the other usual common winter viruses) have surged ‘out of season’ in Australia, USA and now the UK.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/why-did-rsv-see-a-summer-surge-in-australia-this-y
Significant levels of hospitalisation in the UK now.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/doctors-rise-ae-children-admissions-20895092
“It’s [RSV in the UK] estimated to result in 30,000 hospital admissions in children annually and more than 80 deaths. For context Covid has, according to infectious disease experts, so far led to 4,000 admissions and 20 deaths in children [over a lot more than a year].”
The lesson seems to be that you may be able to frustrate the spread of a virus in the short term, but it’ll just come back and bite you in the long.
Perhaps the RSV stats also give some perspective over the hysterical portrayal of Covid.
The age-standardised mortality rate in the UK for 2020 was only the worst since 2008, despite all the claimed covid deaths.
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Due to recent developments I am able to offer you the position of health secretary in the UK.
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🙂 🙂 🙂
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Same fringe benefits too?
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MrGrimNasty,
Excellent display of rationality in the face of so much irrational fear-mongering by the ‘powers that be’.
I vote you to be the next Health Minister, please remove that idyot Ferguson as an advisor ASAP.
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The vaccines were only ever designed as a wealth Tx, and are working as designed.
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Sound like a common cold …
Symptoms of the COVID delta variant:
“headache, sore throat, runny nose”
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-57489116
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Bjorn Lomborg: “Climate Change Coverage Ignores the Heavy Impact of heat on cold deaths”
This article was originally published in USA Today, and has been reproduced here with kind permission from the Copenhagen Consensus Center
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/26/bjorn-lomborg-climate-change-coverage-ignores-the-heavy-impact-of-heat-on-cold-deaths/
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You don’t need air conditioning to survive heat, you need to dress appropriately and take simple precautions such as drinking water and wearing a hat. I have spent a tiny fraction of my long life in air con. Prefer tropical heat to southern cold.
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I prefer having seasons
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Having lived in far Nth Qld, Brisbane, Sydney and now freezing in Geelong. I prefer the Goldilocks’ climate: northern NSW or southern Qld.
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Summer is coming, then it will be too hot 😊
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The collapsed condo in Miami-Dade? It seems very strange that they’ve only 4 victims have been found and 159 remain missing. I hope the number is wrong but maybe they were trying to evacuate and they were trapped at the lower level and are deep under the rubble.
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Let’s hope that many of the people were away on holiday but if so you would have thought they would come forward.
As it happened in the middle of the night it seems likely that people were caught unawares in their beds and didn’t have time to make it out.
There. ARe suggestions that a swimming pool at the base of the tower had been leaking for years and made the already marshy ground even marshier causing liquefaction
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‘The building near Miami had “major structural damage” to a concrete slab below its pool deck that needed to be extensively repaired, according to a 2018 engineering report.’ (SMH)
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Building collapses are high risk zones. Any emergency crews will be taking their advice on where they can go from civil engineers. But the engineers themselves may be limited in their ability to assess the structural integrity of the site, because a lack of structural integrity may limit their access, particularly to the remaining tower.
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Pauly, absolutely, looks like part of the building is still standing above the zone where they’re trying to search, nightmare situation.
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The building collapse is a huge tragedy but I’d be very surprised if there were no prior warning signs such as cracks, noises, flaking concrete from for corroding rebar, etc..
Or as mentioned above, a swimming pool that had been leaking for years degrading the underlying soil. On that topic, wouldn’t the foundations of such a building always go down to rock or if no rock at a reasonable depth, massive piers which would seem unlikely to be affected by a water leak?
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I just saw this on Communist News Network.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/us/building-collapse-miami-saturday/index.html
SEE LINK FOR REST
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I have a strong suspicion that structural & building assessors will be in high demand. Any building companies with a good record of repair of spalled concrete may also find a mini business boom in the Miami area.
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Lots of people now claiming prior knowledge, including one academic who claims the entire building was sinking at 2mm per year.
There is a pool on the site, but it is located a considerable distance from the collapsed towers, and furthest away from the middle tower, which is where the collapse started. There was also an engineering inspection occurring to this building at the time, with a building inspector on site the day before the collapse. No indication of problems though. It was happening as part of a 40th year recertification program, given that the building was built in 1980.
Reports have already circulated that there is no evidence of a sinkhole, so I guess we will have to wait until the engineers can determine the likely cause.
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The engineering report shown by David at 8.3.1 is appalling.
Someone should be done for this.
From another perspective it’s the same sort of non engineering decision making the sees most nuclear incidents occurring.
Profit can be extended beyond what engineering permits; but there’s often a big price to pay.
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The Morabito Consultants report done in 2018 is a bit shy on detail, but the cracking the carpark basement area sure the hell would scare me. That shouldn’t be happen, not to any degree like that. It looks like weak concrete and shoddy workmanship. Could be design failure too, but the inspection report doesn’t cover that angle.
If the bedrock is too deep, you have to float the entire building on a massive footing. I believe Du Bai is like that (no foundation rock).
Here’s a soil profile 50m depth and still weak.
http://www.geomarc.it/Poulos_&_Bunce_2008.pdf
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AN earlier comment that was wrongly placed?
June 27, 2021 at 12:32 pm · Reply
A look on Google Earth shows that the entry level, ground floor is 2 possibly 3 metres above sea level.
Car parking below would below sea level and need to have been well built to prevent intrusion of water and salt into the reinforced concrete, a very difficult task.
The building appears to be built on sand and is gigantic.
In constructing such a massive structure it is necessary to remove a mass of sand from the construction zone that is equal to the weight of the intended building. This is necessary to avoid overloading the surrounding earth and producing subsidence until a new equilibrium is reached.
The fact that the building was subsiding at 2mm a year suggests that they were ignorant of this fact.
Whatever, Sydney and nsw can’t crow; look at the rubbish high rise towers that were “certified” under the State government’s New certification rules: no accountability.
It’s a sign of the times that wherever you go there’s collusion between the government and money makers.
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The whole of New Orleans is sinking as the levees keeping out the water allow the ground to dry.
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And of course some amoral people/publications are already blaming climate change and sea level rise.
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Correct, I heard that on a news report, but in the next breath they mentioned that the ground(swamp) was sinking, apparently the original site was a swamp.
The 2018 engineering report mentioned ‘spalling, cracking and movement of beams, supports and walls’ in the basement carpark, surely that’s a big enough warning for someone, anyone to take action.
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A lot of condos are vacation homes and in Florida, primarily used in winter. Sadly, many more casualties will be found, however.
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G’dayTim,
There’s a short video in this article, about 24 seconds, showing the collapse in two stages. I doubt anyone inside had time to do much more than say “What’s that?”,
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-26/miami-florida-building-engineers-report/100247098
Cheers
Dave B
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Strange that inspection/repair work was going on on the roof, when it seems the real problem was much lower down.
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Those two exposed concrete support collums from the ground to the first floor look to be prime suspects for an investigation. They would have been carrying most of the weight of that section of the entire building
Any minor ground movement or subsidance and they would let go.
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A bit like the Mayor of Hiroshima.
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…who’s last words were famously reported to be…
“Waa da fuuuuuuuuuu…..rrrrkkk was dat ??” 😳😱
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There’s something to be said about living on the top levels…. if you can afford it, at least you’ll end up on the upper levels of the debris pile.
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Gee, thats a selling point right there
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I noticed that a North Korean defector, Yeonmi Park, has been doing the rounds on a few Youtube channels.
They make for interesting viewing/listening, though admit I have not sat through all of them.
Take your pick (probably more than this too):
Tim Pool: https://youtu.be/AQsjESHkW8w
China Unscripted: https://youtu.be/8hA_tGLWlFw
Jordan Peterson: https://youtu.be/8yqa-SdJtT4
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I watched the Jordan Peterson podcast with Yeonmi Park today. It is long but completely riveting and enlightening hearing about her childhood in North Korea and escaping to China and then Mongolia and South Korea. How could they have a revolution when they didn’t even know about any other state of existence? Jordan is back on form but cried too during the heartbreaking revelations – especially when they related to the utter failures of teaching in western universities.
This beautiful young woman has survived by doing everything in her power to do so; what courage, intelligence and strength.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yqa-SdJtT4
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THANK-YOU James Murphy,
I am in your debt for highlighting these videos.
The last one Jordan Peterson truly is the eye-opener on North Korea, China, and the educational destruction that has invade the Western academia.
Thank-you!
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According to worldometers.info, the USA still leads the pack in total numbers of infections, total deaths, but Brazil is catching up. Cmon Americans, you have lost your leadership position on climate, economics, soft power, education, and innovation, don’t let this one slip too.
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The Marxists are in power in America Peter, everything you and your comrades could possibly want! You should have nothing to complain about.
– With covid, you ignore the fact that the US has one of the world’s largest populations, plus an uncounted number of infected illegals living there as well as illegals pouring across the open southern border daily.
-The Biden mal-Administration is reducing coal, oil and gas production and use and making America energy dependent again after it was made energy independent under President Trump.
– The Biden mal-Administration is spending borrowed and printed money like crazy and giving lots of “free stuff” away.
-The schools, universities and military now focus heavily on LGBTI and BLM issues, not traditional core subjects like reading, writing and arithmetic in schools and warfighting capability in the military.
– Biden and his mal-Administration being a huge and submissive friend of the Chicomms will leave “innovation” to them as, like Australia, it is now unattractive to innovate and manufacture in the US, something that was reversed by Trump.
Everything a Marxist could dream of, including the destruction of the United States is being rapidly achieved by Biden.
What are you and your comrades complaining about?
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“the fact that the US has one of the world’s largest populations”
They also have the most people tested.
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And that is the rub.
Test more people, find more infections. Common sense really.
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‘ … and innovation …’
The US is still leading the space race, but they are falling behind in hypersonic and other unexplained aerial phenomenon.
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How is China going by the ‘According to the worldometers.info’ in this world wide pandemic? How is Beijing fairing with little restriction of travel, a large population and proximal to where he first victims started falling over suddenly?
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Peter Fitzroy, you will reach zero CO2 emissions soon enough, after your decomposition or cremation is completed.
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Scissor:
He can’t do either: decomposition to methane which is
14,25,34,45, or 72 times** more potent as neat CO2 or cremated with all those CO2 emission? No, he will just be raised bodily to heaven as is his inclination.**The potency keeps getting raise to try and make methane release a problem.
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More of the usual lefty negativity. They really are a pathetic bunch. I guess they get off on dragging each other down.
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Che Gruvera’s marxist generals used to execute each other for not being “marxist enough”.
With that type of lunacy, marxism cements its place as a Godless madness.
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“worldometers.info, the USA still leads the pack in total numbers of infections, total deaths, …”
Lefties seek control not by rationality but by fear, and the fear of being socially ignored.
Individualism is an anathema to the socialist.
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Great that Peter can see that America is heading downhill fast under the Biden puppet presidency.
Remember only a few years ago under Trump, when the economy was surging, energy production was in the black, despite Democrat fake conspiracies slowing everything..
Then along came a genetically engineered virus, just in time to derail everything and allow a fake election to put a dementia puppet president in.
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Once the rent moratorium ends in the USA, which it does at the end of the month, you will see the true nature of the American economy
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Up to 14% of renters are behind in their rent, will Biden move sharply to the left and save these poor souls?
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Has just extended moratorium to end of July.
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Under the circumstances that is appropriate and the collective is bound to come up with a solution. What do you think they will do?
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Push back to the end of August? And so on for as long as necessary.
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Compassionate and politically correct in the short term, what is it a viable option in the long run?
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PF, you must also be heartbroken over the 8 million property owners who haven’t been paid in the last year. Yes, those shameful property owners who have contractual rights to being paid their rental or mortgage payments. I mean, it is so sad that people getting thousands of dollars in government assistance who signed those contracts, yet refuse to work because their assistance checks pay more than their previous labour was worth, have generously offered to keep on not paying their rents and mortgages in the hopes that Socialism will stave off the failure of their failed lives.
It would be cheaper for the property owners to buy one-way airline tickets for the renters so they might enjoy “true socialism” in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea or some other garden of eden. Why not? Makes everyone happy, eh?
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Even for you that comment plumbs a new low. So you evict the renters where do they go? Where do you find new tenants? Why not just kill the non payers, which is quicker and more humane, than a slow death on the streets.
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Just remember, Peter..
… without those owners of rental properties.. there would be no rentals.
Then people like you would be out polluting the streets of cities, as happens in California.
This is what Peter strives to be
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oops …. pressed return accidentally before the link.
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/A581/production/_96296324_039089145.jpg
Home sweet home for the socialist gentry.
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“Even for you that comment plumbs a new low.”
I’m guessing you intentionally misread Lance’s post to twist it to your sliming…
People are being given government funds so they can pay some of their rent, but still aren’t paying it, so the owner goes without.
The sort of underhanded, low, type of thing that you would do, I guess.
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Here you go, PF. Straight out of Leftist CNBC.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/the-eviction-moratorium-is-killing-small-landlords-says-one.html
When this is over, and it will be, the result will be fewer rental properties at much higher prices. Once again, the Govt and misguided human intervention and bad faith, ruin what was once a functional system.
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Yes, the laba government has previously demonstrated how that works.
Encouraging Parasitism may get a few votes in the short-term but rental property owners are then going to avoid the abuse by selling the property. The buyers are new home buyers who prefer to avoid the stress of new construction.
They buy the existing property and the building industry gets “constricted”. Jobs are lost and the available housing is reduced leading to a surprise rental squeeze.
Then rents skyrocket.
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Peter, in Australia, I suggest you make your own home available to accommodate homeless people.
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The shameful property owners are the evil kulaks, so no probs. The left are completely and utterly mad in their destruction of a perfectly good world.
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They should adopt the Australian model.
‘The numbers of people without any kind of home will increase in Australia from 20,000 to at least 30,000 by 2025. That’s a 50% increase in 5 years. … The range of people experiencing homelessness in 2021 covers all sections of our community and as noted above, it is getting worse at approximately 10% each year.’
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Better to look ahead and see what Biden is accomplishing, like this well overdue infrastructure spend. Its Keynesian, do you have a problem with that?
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Yes. It is called the broken window fallacy. Further, “infrastructure” used to mean Public Works. Now, according to progressives, it means anything they want it to pay for.
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Thanks Lance, I now see the problem.
‘After he announced the deal Thursday, Biden said he would only sign the $1.2 trillion infrastructure deal into law if Congress also passes a multi-trillion-dollar package focused on “human infrastructure” programs like subsidized child care, home caregiving and climate change that only Democrats support.
“If they don’t (both) come, I’m not signing it. Real simple,” Biden said.
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‘America is heading downhill fast under the Biden puppet presidency.’
Its a collective and should work out okay.
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Yes, the Biden Puppet Presidency IS a collective. That’s the problem.
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It has all the hallmarks of being a green/left puppet government, Keynesian with a twist and presumably more egalitarian.
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Interesting article. Not quite sure what to think of it.
Criminally futile lockdowns: Delta will spread in Australia like fire
https://motls.blogspot.com/2021/06/criminally-futile-lockdowns-delta-will.html
” I think that Australia will see at least a doubling of the delta cases in each week – and I think that even a tripling per week is rather likely……It will continue for many months (with a tripling per week, you would get a factor of 100 each month) and if they don’t get the really simple point that it is insane to introduce similar draconian measures because of a common cold that passes the Covid tests, they may throw the whole continent to a hard lockdown for all these following months (even though the number of deaths will remain very low – much less than 0.1% die from any disease that is leaking from the body via the runny nose!). It’s clearly futile, hugely destructive, criminal, and it’s a shame that the media aren’t leading the debates that would be relevant”
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A pretty good article except for the downplay of COVID-19 as “common cold” variant. That’s like saying smallpox isn’t dangerous because it’s in the same family as cowpox which isn’t.
Flaws like this hurt articles because mainstream critics will use a single one to dismiss every other premise in an article that questions the narrative.
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The US heatwave is stimulating debate, is it a global warming signal?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/26/update-2-on-northwest-us-heat-wave-predictions/
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It’s ~20F cooler and wetter than normal in the Front Range of Colorado. Thank you Portland.
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Its the Omega Block
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/06/25/colorado-weather-omega-block-pattern/
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It is an unusual downslope condition taking hot summer air from high terrain southeast of the Portland and SW Washington regions to lower elevations near sea level. Adiabatic heating. We are quite cold in Wyoming/Colorado from the inverse situation as air upslopes into our region. It was nothing to do with global warming.
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They know zip about blocking, which is unfortunate because it has a major weather impacts in midlatitude. The models have got it completely wrong.
‘There has been low confidence in predicted future changes in blocking, despite relatively good agreement between climate models on a decline in blocking. This is due to the lack of a comprehensive theory of blocking and a pervasive underestimation of blocking occurrence by models.’ (Woollings et al 2018)
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The clues from Göbekli Tepe reveal that ancient humans relied on grains much earlier than was previously thought – even before there is evidence that these plants were domesticated …
“The people who built these monumental structures were living just before a major transition in human history: the Neolithic revolution, when humans began farming and domesticating crops and animals.
But there are no signs of domesticated grain at Göbekli Tepe, suggesting that its residents hadn’t made the leap to farming.
Now that view is changing … Over the past four years, Dietrich has discovered that the people who built these ancient structures were fuelled by vat-fulls of porridge and stew, made from grains that the ancient residents had ground and processed on an almost industrial scale.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01681-w
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“Research reveals that the decarbonization process, the “war on carbon”, or if you like “the war on plant food”, is inflicting a great deal of damage on the planet. This is like chemotherapy that is used in the hope of saving the life of the patient at the cost of side-effects that are often very damaging and disturbing.”
https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/06/27/decarbonization-chemotherapy-for-the-planet/
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“The present assessment raises the question whether it would be necessary to rethink policies and use COVID-19 vaccines more sparingly and with some discretion only in those that are willing to accept the risk because they feel more at risk from the true infection than the mock infection. Perhaps it might be necessary to dampen the enthusiasm by sober facts? In our view, the EMA and national authorities should instigate a safety review into the safety database of COVID-19 vaccines and governments should carefully consider their policies in light of these data. Ideally, independent scientists should carry out thorough case reviews of the very severe cases, so that there can be evidence-based recommendations on who is likely to benefit from a SARS-CoV2 vaccination and who is in danger of suffering from side effects. Currently, our estimates show that we have to accept four fatal and 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations in order to save the lives of 2–11 individuals per 100,000 vaccinations, placing risks and benefits on the same order of magnitude.”
More at
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/06/26/they-told-me-there-wouldnt-be-any-math/
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The “cure” is as bad as — or worse than — the disease.
For those who have been vaccinated with any COVID mRNA product, then good luck with that . . . you’re going to need it if you have a circulatory system, as will anyone who has a blood donation of yours, or any baby you might be suckling. Once it’s in you, you can’t get it out again. All this for pointless vaccines that neither prevent the disease nor prevent it passing from the vaccinated to the unvaccinated.
I presume you have all heard of the 4 British Airways pilots that died of blood clots in the space of 1 week following their vaccinations. Collateral damage. BA played it down as coincidence, like 4 pilots drop dead of blood clots every week. I understand a couple died within hours of vaccination.
Here’s a viral immunologist’s admission: “We made a mistake.” Watch this and weep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8REOUuAuNk
This is what happens when authorities promote mass vaccination with EXPERIMENTAL vaccines.
There is more circumstantial evidence that the spike proteins cross the placental barrier into the foetus as well, plus claims that the effects will be recurrent in adults and that the real “dying off” will not kick in for some months after vaccination. There is a lot of material about this on NewTube (banned from YouTube), but it must be viewed with a wary eye on the quality of the posters.
For the gullible who think Big Pharma is developing these vaccines for altruistic reasons — think again. Major companies are currently locked in a court battle for the patent rights to the spike protein and associated chemistry. Because a natural protein is not patentable, they had to modify it slightly to make it patentable for the vaccines, hence the court battle for billions in future earnings. So much for them doing it at cost.
This was always about money and power.
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“Patrick J Michaels, via Judith Curry,
In the academy the free interchange of competing ideas creates knowledge through cooperation, disagreement, debate, and dissent. Kaufmann’s landmark study proves that the last three in that list are severely suppressed and punished. The pervasiveness of such repression may be a death sentence for science, free inquiry, and the advancement of knowledge in our universities.
I am led to that dire conclusion because the universities appear to have no way to prevent this fate. No solution can arise from within the academy because it selects its own lifetime faculty, which is largely left wing—increasingly so—and makes the promotion of dissenters highly unlikely. Kaufmann demonstrates profoundly systemic discrimination by leftist faculty against colleagues they find disagreeable. […]
Kaufmann’s study is shocking in its depth, even to academics (like me) who experienced for decades what he describes. He documents all aspects of an academic career, from advanced graduate study to landing a faculty position, research funding, publication, and promotion. That normal career progression is all but derailed if a person expresses a scintilla of non-left views in casual conversations, faculty meetings, public discourse, teaching, grant applications, submitted publications, or the promotion process.”
Links at
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/06/26/death-spiral-of-american-academia/
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Wouldn’t it – –
https://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/140335-and-ban-me-if-you-wish/page/11/?tab=comments#comment-1577701
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The passenger pigeon was once the dominant bird in North America and probably the most populous bird in the world by numbers but few people know about them today.
Their numbers were massive, it would sometimes take several days for a flock to fly over, and the sky would go dark and when they landed in trees it was said the branches could break due to their weight.
Their genome has now been decoded from museum specimens and there are attempts to recreate the bird and release it back into the wild.
North American forests are today completely different to what they used to be without this bird which strongly influenced the nature and species distribution within the forests.
This is a talk about it by an American scientist, Ben Novak, involved in the project. In the talk, he says he is coming to Australia tp do his PhD.
https://youtu.be/TsINCyR5hsU
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Kory and Malony say trying to inoculate in the midst of a pandemic is not going to work. The huge number of locations and situations gives great scope for mutating. The vaccines are not knocking out the virus, so especially between doses the virus has human bodies providing a perfect puzzle box for the laws of large numbers, to come up with mutations. Even fully vaccinated people are a test tube for it to hone it’s skills. No mutations have been found for the 1918 influenza virus. Maybe it was too deadly?
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Isn’t it interesting how the Victoriastan politicians voted themselves a pay rise then immediately the Parliament started a six week break. No politician around to question and discuss their greed.
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Business crushed, economy struggling from their lockdowns. Never lost a days pay during the whole debacle and they gift themselves a pay rise. Elysium lives.
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With a highly aggressive and dangerous China (although much loved by the Left), it’s remarkable that Australia refuses to rethink its disastrous decision to get overpriced non-nuclear subs.
In any case, the subs contracted for are of a nuclear design. No one in history has EVER been stupid enough to take a nuclear boat design and “dumb it down” to diesel-electric.
The Chicomms and their slave army of useful idiots are laughing their heads off.
And not a single person in parliament or the military had the cajones to question this bizarre decision.
Another failed Turnbull legacy.
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I know Turnbull is, and was extremely shonky, almost making Gillard and Rudd look honest and competent, but what makes you think the military didn’t have a say in the specifications?
As much as I think Australia should at least develop a nuclear power industry, I can only imagine the furore if they first decided to go nuclear with submarines, even if that’s what the military really want. The way Labor and Greens have distorted everything, it’d be instant political suicide, and probably severely damage an already poor ability to recruit people into the ADF.
Why do you, and so many others think that nuclear subs are superior to conventional powered vessels? I know there are advantages to nuclear, but I don’t see why conventional subs should be dismissed without any consideration.
I think the whole programme is ridiculous, and a scandalous waste of money, but don’t pretend to know what the military really need from a submarine fleet – aside from what they say more or less publicly, i.e. collecting and analysing signals intelligence in relatively shallow waters.
You’d think this could be done with autonomous vehicles now, but few people have ever accused the military of being quick to change, and/or they use the subs for other things where people are still the better tool for the job.
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When it comes to nuclear submarines there is no question the egg comes before the chicken. A civil industry must come first.
You can’t just give a process operator a six month course and have him control a submarine reactor. Those chaps on US subs are experienced civilly and THEN undergo intensive training and selection before going to sea. Should we go nuclear we would have to buy/lease used US boats complete with critical crew on secondment.
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Good point. I had thought it’d be stupid to have nuclear powered vessels, with no other atomic infrastructure, but I had not considered it from this perspective.
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Hanrahan “Those chaps on US subs are experienced civilly and THEN undergo intensive training”
Completely arse about…. it goes VERY much the other way round. A submarine power plant has very little, other than broad stroke concepts, in common with civilian reactors. For a start, the fuel is bomb grade, not reactor grade…. It goes down hill from there into PHD territory very quickly. I suggest you research Admiral Rickover… If you do, you’ll find the civilian industry RESULTS from the Naval reactor program…
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James “Why do you, and so many others think that nuclear subs are superior to conventional powered vessels?”
1 Range: Unlimited, between refits (to the whole sub)
2 Power: Unlimited, (up to the MW rating of the reactor)..a sub powers EVERYTHING (engine, kitchen, instruments, toilets, showers, laundry….EVERYTHING) with electricity.
The relevant comparison for this blog is power from the electric grid vs a generator+battery (off-grid) system. A nuke boat carries its own grid…!
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Surely you do not believe that Range and Power are the only considerations that the Navy has for its new technology?
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The issue is not new technology but nuclear v. diesel power for submarines.
.. and.. detection is far harder with nuclear power as no need to surface as well as lower acoustic noise.
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A I said, I don’t pretend to know what the RAN actually requires from a submarine fleet, and I do understand the general advantages of nuclear powered subs over conventional. It seems no one else knows what the RAN actually wants from subs either, thus, aside from some generalities, I’m still not seeing why Nuclear is the obvious and best choice for the RAN…
If the RAN was really super keen on nuclear, I’m sure they, and defence contractors could pressure the government to do their bidding, regardless of the political consequences. Countries have gone to war based on such pressures before, and will do so again.
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If there are any advantages of diesel over nuclear for Australian subs, it would be a short and inconsequential list.
Therefore it is possible to state with confidence that
“Nuclear is the obvious and best choice for the RAN”
Just for fun, think about the list, it would included-
Getting a few green votes, should not be a navy issue,
Crew who want 2 month assignments instead of 2 years .. as above.
There would be some irrational arguments put by Turnbull and allies. These have nothing to do with the navy but with votes in marginal electorates and with political posturing. The same arguments could be used in favor of steam engines or rubber band power.
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The RAN conventional power submarines are based on the French latest nuclear hull but will be a completely redesigned submarine …
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3470/australia-is-getting-the-baddest-diesel-electric-submarines-on-the-planet
Australia does not have a nuclear industry to support nuclear power in submarines, the only installation is the Lucas Heights Sydney reactor that produced radio isotopes for nuclear medicine and commercial purposes.
Nuclear energy is banned by legislation created around 2005/06, Lucas Heights was exempted because it has been operating safely since the 1950s. To change that legislation is very difficult, but being considered now. The Labor and Greens continue to oppose nuclear energy.
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I think most of us are familiar with this.
What we rail against is the stupidity of this policy.
Those submarines should have been seen as an opportunity for Australia to leverage off the military expenditure in order to gain and build our nuclear power industry.
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Yes, but your comment ignores the ban on nuclear and the fact that the opposition would not support the legislation being repealed.
So the Government and the RAN have no option to consider nuclear power.
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Example, a few months ago in the New South Wales Parliament One Nation proposed legislation to overturn the ban on new uranium mines in the State and failed to gain much support.
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There are many areas where the general populace are ignorant and follow the bleatings of the greenist leftards due to the media giving them inordinate coverage and even outright support. This means that they get legislative support as populist (in the real sense of the word) agenda.
Renewables, climate change, systemic racism, the religion of peace, electrification of cars, “equality” & “rights” for “oppressed minorities”, mass vaccination as the only means of feeling with COVID-19.
The anti nuclear stance is just one of many and we should make arguments against all of them and not just moan about the current law making it impossible for change
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The Open-pool Australian lightwater reactor (OPAL) is a 20 MW swimming pool nuclear research reactor. Officially opened in April 2007, it replaced the High Flux Reactor as Australia’s only nuclear reactor, and is located at the (ANSTO) Research Establishment in Lucas Heights, NSW. Both OPAL and its predecessor have been commonly known as simply the Lucas Heights reactor, after their location.
Lucas Heights, now a suburb of Sydney had a very large rubbish tip, which was covered with earth and then built up with houses. The owners supposedly took advantage of the cheaper land without noticing the reactor, then complained. A bit like those who rushed to build near Tullamarine airport as soon as it was announced along with 2 new freeways (now regularly clogged with traffic).
This type of reactor is highly unlikely to become a problem, in fact the major safety factor was provision of lifebuoys for anybody who falls into the pool.
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A lot of countries in the region rely on Lucas Heights to provide medicinal isotopes. It’s a genuine life saver.
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“JoeBamanomics – An Honest Outlook of Inflation and What is Coming
June 26, 2021 | Sundance | 73 Comments
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/26/joebamanomics-an-honest-outlook-of-inflation-and-what-is-
coming/
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What happens when your currency collapses?
The Lebanese are living through a terrible economic experiment
The Lebanese currency has lost more than 90 percent of its value over the past 18 months and is continuing its steady decline. It would be foolish to keep more than a few days’ spending money on hand, so everyone has a moneychanger. Mine is Mohammed, who pops round on his moped with ever-fatter stacks of notes with ever more zeros on them. The currency grows physically as it shrinks in value. He passes over a wad of cash and says, smiling: ‘Our leaders are stupid and corrupt.’
That’s true, but only part of the story of what has gone wrong. Mohammed is here because no one uses the banks to change money anymore. That would be crazy when the official exchange rate is still 1,500 lira to the dollar, one-tenth of the black-market rate of just over 15,000 to the dollar (at the time of writing). Mohammed used to be a chef, a job where he made things that people wanted, adding a small but tangible amount to the nation’s wealth. Now he’s one of thousands of people employed in the completely useless but absolutely indispensable business of ferrying stacks of printed paper back and forth by moped, to make up for the catastrophic failure of the banking system. It’s one small example of the inefficiencies that creep into an economy when you can’t trust the money anymore.
Parked outside a nearby church is a line of Audis, Mercedes, BMWs and Range Rovers. This isn’t a smart wedding or a christening, as you might expect in normal times. Instead, the church is giving out food aid: small, mean-looking boxes of rice and pasta and the cheapest kind of sunflower oil. The people trudging away with these boxes, eyes fixed on the ground, are from Lebanon’s traditionally comfortable middle classes. Others are far worse off.
As people used to say in Britain in the 1970s, this is the economics of the madhouse. This can’t continue and it won’t — it’s like watching a country slowly cut its own throat. Lebanon’s foreign currency reserves are almost drained. Soon there will be no more dollars to subsidize imports. Prices will have to reflect the real, increasingly debauched value of the currency.
It now falls to this same political class to take the painful decisions the country needs. A former senior Christian politician told me he thought the situation was hopeless. He drove around his neighborhood at night, he said, and all the lights were out: everyone had left. He thought that Christians were now less than 15 percent of the population of Lebanon (which was created by the French to have a Christian majority at independence). If so, that is one symptom of how the economic crisis is hollowing out the country. His solution was to carve separate statelets out of Lebanon. Sunnis, Shia and Christians could all go their own way, he said.
That would quickly reignite the civil war. Lebanon is always cursed with that possibility, however near or far.
Meanwhile, the country is having to relearn the lesson that the first and perhaps most important duty of the state is to provide sound money.
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It’s seems quite obvious to all the thinking people I know that President Imposter Biden has dementia.
It is easily possible to adduce that, even with a censored Internet.
So why aren’t the America people demanding his resignation or removal? He is clearly not fit for office, although, to be fair, neither is the VP.
And yes, I do understand that he doesn’t make any decisions, they come from Harris, Pelosi, Clinton and Obama and he’ll also sign any piece of paper put in front of him, but he still looks bad, even as a puppet fake President.
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He’s only still President because Kamala is so inept at everything she is assigned and even associated with. The Democrats can see how worse they would look if she was elevated under the 25th amendment.
Perhaps this was part of the reasoning behind her being chosen as running mate as Jill could see her husband’s deterioration and didn’t want a competent successor to steal her proxy power
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There is a defensive tactic for US presidents to pick a VP so inept any assassin would have second thoughts. Remember Dan Quayle?
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FYI. Trump rally, Live, now, Wellington Ohio. ( Pop. 5,000 )
https://rumble.com/vj2p7j-live-president-donald-j-trump-in-wellington-oh.html
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l561c_BR-w
Should be interesting.
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I wonder when the American Left will demand Biden do a cognitive test, as they did of President Trump?
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That would be optimal, but no real need, DM. He’s visibly mentally disturbed.
Watch this and see for yourself. His own words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw5H9LYeKZQ
If it makes you feel better, he controls some 3,000 nuclear weapons.
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They won’t because the legal successor is so inept and unqualified that the whole Democrat political machine would be tainted and the mid terms would be guaranteed (as opposed to bring merely likely) to be a disaster.
Kamala Harris is a disaster unfolding in public view
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You must be referring to “Heels Up Harris”, “Horizontal Harris”, or perhaps I’m mistaken.
You mean the person who kept people in Prison under false evidence for years?
You mean the person who filled the California Prisons with life sentences for having possession of marijuana?
Hm. Must be her. I lived there when she did those things.
Fortunately, I escaped from the California Mad House to a better life, elsewhere.
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I gave you a TU, not so much for your post as your sense to quit Cal.
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You just have to realize that for the Pres and his 2ic to be this bad, they just had to be put there by fake means, a bit like a post turtle.
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Alzheimers, like rust, never sleeps.
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Given its relentless nature and where he is already, its hard to see how they can sustain the theater until 2024
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The interesting thing happening at the moment on the covid front is the suspension of the astra zenica vaccine . This particular medical experiment appears to be in trouble . I have had 1 dose but I suspect I will be getting something else for the second. I am being bombarded with texts requesting that I do a survey on side effects – that to me is an admission of issues . The medical fraternity should (mostly) hang their heads in shame….
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Perhaps keeping away from any further vaccines might be prudent….
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Well, NSW Brad Hazzard wants to Fine Australians $11,000 per person and 6 months in jail for breaching restrictions that don’t actually accomplish anything to my knowledge.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/brad-hazzard-warns-public-with-massive-fines-for-breaching-new-covid19-restrictions/news-story/b3bd6294dd991fa2287a65785e0d21a5
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Was he one who broke his own rules a few months ago?
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Its just another reminder not to cross the Elite in AUS.
Kinda like Administrator Biden ( the Elites US puppet ) recently reminding patriots that the feds can nuke them if they try and re-establish democracy after stealing the election…
Actually, if they did nuke a city in the US, it would unleash a fury upon the Elite that the Elite would never survive…..
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So Sydney and environs is locked down for the next two weeks because of a handful of cases involving the death-dealing “Delta variant.”
The government/media complex is hyping the hell out of this strain, but just how dangerous is it?
This short video offers an answer based entirely on UK government stats, and it shows absolutely no rise in hospitalisations or deaths.
https://youtu.be/TtOu7jx3snQ
So it looks like the “variant” is nothing more than a “scariant.”
So far this year in Oz we have not had ONE Covid death, but we have managed to kill 318 people with the “vaccines” which are apparently “protecting them” from this terrible plague.
The massive anti-lockdown march in London suggests that the people there at least are slowly realising they have been had and won’t be taking it much longer.
In Oz, on the other hand, the sheeples bleat a little but are mostly content to wear their submission muzzles.
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Yes, there is minimal coverage of the actual hospitalizations and their severity. Just case numbers just as with the Victorian lockdown.
It’s all done to maximize the scare factor so they can justify these lockdowns
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For those who have heard media reports of “a few hundred” anti-lockdown protesters in London, this aerial view suggests there were quite a few more than that:
https://youtu.be/JKh8LhbARDE
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Looks like “just a couple” (/s)
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/26/massive-street-protests-continue-in-london-against-covid-lockdown-rules/
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If this covid outbreak continues for much longer, all the global warming we can muster will be needed, c’mon folks, exhale faster or go burn something.
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Useful info on Cov19 vaccination dangers
https://spectator.com.au/2021/06/covids-warped-vaccines/
“In the UK, Dr Tess Lawrie, a world-class evidence-based medical researcher and consultant to the World Health Organization wrote to the British Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency saying, ‘The MHRA has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare C19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans’.
” In less than five months in the UK there were over 1,250 deaths and 888,000 adverse reactions including almost 14,000 bleeding, clotting and stroke events (856 fatal) occurring in almost every vein and artery and every organ — brain (152 fatalities), lungs (103 fatalities), heart (81 fatalities), spleen, kidneys, ovaries and liver.
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Further info:
https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021
“To 23 May 2021, 3.6 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given in Australia. In this period, the TGA has received 210 reports of deaths following immunisation – 109 have been reported for the Pfizer vaccine, 94 for the AstraZeneca vaccine and seven where the vaccine was not specified. Most of these reports (93%) were for people 65 years of age and over, and over three quarters were 75 years of age and over. Many of the deaths relate to elderly aged-care residents.
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Andrew Marr (A UK BBC political presenter) got covid D ‘badly’ (at the G7 he reckons) but not bad enough for hospital, despite being double jabbed a good while back.
Marr did say it was more like a bad cold, and although the official symptoms have yet to be updated the anecdotal evidence is that D has turned into just a bad cold in the UK – begs the question about the situation in India recently though.
Marr was interviewing Professor Peter Horby from the government’s ‘Nervtag’ and he said yes it might not stop you getting it, but it should prevent hospitalisations. He was a bit more circumspect on that point though, not nearly as definite as our gov. in stating that the jabs had broken the link between cases and hospitalisations.
It’s clearly a daft claim to make at this stage in the latest wave because the infection is most present in young people who rarely get it badly – this was the same situation at the start of the wave before. The exponential growth currently looks very similar to last Sept. despite the vaccinations.
The gov. keeps saying the majority of hospitalisations are un- or single jabbed but a significant proportion are double jabbed.
Anyway, looks like no one really knows much for sure about anything, but freedom day may be retreating into the distance yet again…. or …..
I don’t know if this made Oz news. UK Health Secretary resigned after being caught breaking his own rules whilst having an affair. Maybe his replacement will be the excuse to change policy, just get on with life, let people take individual responsibility, end the insanity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57625508
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In regard to mass surveillance by government, Leftists who support it often say “If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.”
The right to privacy is a fundamental human right and as Edward Snowden said,
“Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
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A look on Google Earth shows that the entry level, ground floor is 2 possibly 3 metres above sea level.
Car parking below would below sea level and need to have been well built to prevent intrusion of water and salt into the reinforced concrete, a very difficult task.
The building appears to be built on sand and is gigantic.
In constructing such a massive structure it is necessary to remove a mass of sand from the construction zone that is equal to the weight of the intended building. This is necessary to avoid overloading the surrounding earth and producing subsidence until a new equilibrium is reached.
The fact that the building was subsiding at 2mm a year suggests that they were ignorant of this fact.
Whatever, Sydney and nsw can’t crow; look at the rubbish high rise towers that were “certified” under the State government’s New certification rules: no accountability.
It’s a sign of the times that wherever you go there’s collusion between the government and money makers.
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Yes, the sixteen years in office Premier Carr led Labor Government of NSW that cut back TAFE and changed to Certifiers who sign off and must trust the builder and designers to replace qualified Building Inspectors .
The same or similar situation took place with Health & Safety compliance.
A recipe for disaster, Certifiers only qualified to sign off on documents covering matters they have no qualifications to understand.
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I wonder what NSW would be like without the wasted years of Carr and Kenneally?
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‘Nifty Nev, Used Carr, and ‘Nobodys Gal’.
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There was a show on 7 or 9 that busted the rorts in the high rise building industry, it seems to promote a new residential highrise, they pay a well known architect aided by a graphic artist to sketch out a vision of what the new building will look like when completed, but no actual construction plans or engineering done, then they call for tenders, then the winning tender is given the job of doing the actual building plans that they will use, and then they hire some engineering graduate fresh out of uni to do the stress analysis and structural engineering, then away you go happily pouring substandard concrete, overseen by a private certifier who relies on the trades that they have ‘done the right thing’.
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A catalyst for mass surveillance started on 9/11 2001. All that was needed for justification and global acceptance. Long term plan at work.
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Leftists have plenty to fear. That’s why they want to oppress any thinking they don’t approve of.
That means they have plenty to hide.
Liberty isn’t granted by government. It is a birthright. Freedom is the state of being free from any oppression, while liberty is the freedom to act in one’s own way. Liberty is a significant concept because people enjoying liberty have to take responsibility for their actions performed.
Liberty requires Responsibility. Freedom only requires absence of oppression, control or captivity.
Mobs may have Freedom, but not Liberty. People at Liberty, have both Freedom and Responsibility.
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What 3 words are you sitting on at the moment?!?
https://what3words.com/pretty.needed.chill?
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Sorry…not sure how a cdc link got in that post.
Should read:
https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021
“To 23 May 2021, 3.6 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given in Australia. In this period, the TGA has received 210 reports of deaths following immunisation – 109 have been reported for the Pfizer vaccine, 94 for the AstraZeneca vaccine and seven where the vaccine was not specified. Most of these reports (93%) were for people 65 years of age and over, and over three quarters were 75 years of age and over. Many of the deaths relate to elderly aged-care residents
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FWIW
“Here is another video where Dr Tom Cowan talks about the “bio-distribution” problem that was just brought to light:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3vL74CEJL1W6/
My sibling who recently retired from a medical career watched it with me when it first came out. They were amazed, disgusted, and appalled at the news”
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/06/23/w-o-o-d-23-june-2021/#comment-147018
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“jim2 says:
27 June 2021 at 3:17 am
RE: Bio-distribution. Thanks for that PG. A little more searching turned up this. t’s a good read.”
More at
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/06/23/w-o-o-d-23-june-2021/#comment-147030
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Hmmm!
Just got moderated – likely by the b chute reference.
Testing
Rumble
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More
https://rumble.com/
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https://rumble.com/c/DonaldTrump.
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“Aaaagh! another ian mentioned the Trump again, we socialists who advocate freedom, demand that this post must be revoked NOW.
Our campaign will start immediately to have this ‘another ian’ canceled and banned from posting his views anywhere because we believe in freedom.”
/sarc-off
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Ian,
note the first five letters of that word you thought might be the culprit.
the moderating algorithm couldn’t care less what the full word structure might be, if it contains those specific word letters in their correct order, then it goes into the moderation automatically.
Tony.
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Tony
Thanks – so that is why Rumble strings passed
Discriminates against dog owners eh?
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Ah Ah! So that is why when I say ‘Rum’ my wife goes nuts!
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It doesn’t like a (former) cheese brand either, even if that brand aw in the middle of a word
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Racoon ?
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Yup.
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“CDC Data Highlights COVID Vaccination is More Dangerous than COVID Infection for Young Adults
June 26, 2021 | Sundance | 67 Comments”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/26/cdc-data-highlights-covid-vaccination-is-more-dangerous-than-covid-infection-for-young-adults/
So why the blaggard rush to vaccinate people then?
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What is a Blade Battery?
http://www.benzoenergy.com/blog/post/what-is-a-blade-battery.html
Chinese vehicle manufacturer BYD, they have been producing Electric Buses for years and other vehicles, have indicated that buses and cars will soon be assembled at a factory in NSW country, the shareholders include Australian business people and US billionaire Warren Buffet is a shareholder. A local spokes person appearing recently on Sky News Alan Jones has claimed that a BYD EV will have a retail price of $35,000 and range of 1,000 km.
In my opinion EV will not gain a significant market share in Australia, even if the range was a real 750 km after deducting variable factors, recharging time including recommended regular charging to 80 per cent, a lack of infrastructure nationwide, loss of money on ICEV trade-in pricing or valuation are some of the consumer areas of concern that will deter most from buying an EV in the foreseeable future?
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I forgot to include that $35,000 for a small 5-seat car is still a premium price compared to equivalent ICEV models available, and the break even point after estimated savings favouring EV remains several years, and the cost of a home fast charging point if electricity suppliers will allow it to be installed.
Not many suburban local area electricity grids could cope with many household and business premises EV recharging.
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You can call “West of Charters Towers” a suburban grid. It is already starved of power. They were talking about Copperstring 2* before this EV nonsense.
Vast tracts of W Qld and The Territory are powered by OC gas turbines so any EVs would still be hydrocarbon fuelled.
* https://copperstring2.com.au/
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an ordinary lithium-ion battery 251Wh/ L. Range 450 km (theoretical).
battery pack volume 332Wh / L, an increase of more than 30%. Range less than 600 km (theoretical) and that doesn’t allow for likely increase in weight.
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Hmm ?.. yes, that is very “ordinary”. !
Current “ Lithium ion” Cells ,.as used by Tesla, Ford, GM, Hyundai, etc etc…..have a specific volumetric energy density of between 450-500 Wh/ Ltr.
Those “Blade” cells are simply flat pouch LFP chemistry. !
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Sounds like blade servers, where you added capacity by just plugging in a card into existing support cabinets that had the power and network and cooling you needed. Modular up to a point.
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Jo, Re the CSIRO involvement with the research on bats and viruses, is there any information on treatment for viral infections resulting from that research ?
I understand that the bats were asymptomatic and their diet is nectar and fruit. I read that rutin is a component of fruit and has antiviral properties. Perhaps we should be taking rutin or eating more fruit, mangos?, and consuming honey from eucalyptus blooms?
Isn’t it time that we started taking antivirals instead of being locked down every time someone gets the sniffles?
Any information would be appreciated, thank you,
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Bevan:
the real reason for the asymptomatic behaviour of bats is that they fly around every night breathing fresh air.
So if you fly from tree to tree every night then you too will avoid the symptoms of a virus.
More effective than the vaccines.
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I just listened to the last 7 mins of Trump’s speech in Ohio. What a pleasant change from the mumbling, whispering negative left.
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Saw Dr Peter Mccullough on Outsiders on sky this morning but felt he wasnt really given enough airtime. Here is a Dr who really understands the problem of lack of treatment given to patients in the early stages of covid 19 disease and the dangers of the vaccine.
Long video 90 minutes but so very worth while watching.
https://attackonliberty.com/current-events/dr-peter-mccullough-documents-a-profoundly-disturbing-policy-response-to-the-pandemic/
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I watched it all. Riveting.
Bring on the Nuremberg trials.
My son happily lined up for his jab knowing that if I am agin it, it can’t be bad.
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I agree, riveting is the word! Couldnt stop myself. So much info that I had never thought about before.
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“The EudraVigilance database reports that through June 19, 2021 there are 15,472 deaths and 1,509,266 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:”
Full breakdown of adverse events and deaths by vaccine are noted in the article.
https://www.technocracy.news/shock-european-union-reports-1-5-million-vaccine-injuries-15472-deaths/
This is only what was reported in the EU. Actual total numbers likely much higher.
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Funny how we never hear about these statistics!
I resubscibed to the Australian for 4 weeks for $4 to see if anything had changed. It hasn’t. I put in two comments about ivermectin and both were rejected.
Wont be renewing.
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The editors must see some threat from mentioning the word ‘ivermectin’.
It could be direct to NY HQ from Big Pharma.
They do allow mention of words ‘treatments’ and ‘effective’.
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There have been past attempts to introduce penguins into the Arctic.
Just sayin’.
https://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Penguin/Catalogs/Penguins_in_the_northern_hemisphere
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Are there krill in the Arctic?
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A lot of people are getting angry in the US for being told they have lost their right to free speech.
https://www.tiktok.com/@johannesvick/video/6976431235245575429?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
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There are still a few hold outs that think their constitution matters
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That’s the real issue. If they think the constitution still matters then there is only one thing to do under the rules of the constitution – act accordingly.
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Premier to Chief health Officer.
“We lose our emergency powers soon, so you will not be able to stop people seeing their dying relatives”
Chief health Officer to Premier.
“That’s OK, I was no longer enjoying the thrill of that God-like power, in fact I was beginning to take a bit of flak.”
Premier to Chief health Officer.
“Oh well, each to their own, only my Dad’s income and a couple of the chaps who put me into this place thinking we would lose the election require those powers to keep the Branch Covidian Cult alive and kicking. You know, no Kool-aid injection no ultimate solution.”
Chief health Officer to Premier.
“Well OK, but I am going to need something to take away the pain. How about some sort of Golden Egg?”
Premier to Chief health Officer.
“Thanks, I will organize some sort of privileged title. One small problem, can you hold off till after the game, I mean call it early, but don’t close down till after the game. I have the Corporate Box and a few of my backers to smooze. And! That way I cannot be blamed for the spread from packing 50,000 people into a stadium and yet still make the deadline to give power to my old mates.”
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Oh dear, the south in the doldrums. The eastern grid getting <5% from wind and solar.
https://www.windy.com/?-32.061,139.168,5,m:c8pakCf
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Total wind utilization since 10am AEST (so about 12 hours now) has been at or under 10%. And not much prospect for a meanigful increase wit the big high pressure system that has moved over cenreal Australia.
We’re gonna need a bigger battery.
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Watching the F1 over the weekend I did not see a “We race as one” face diaper or car sticker.
Anti white is all the dems have going for them and if the masses are getting tired of it, it will be a walkover in the mid-terms.
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A search confirms this is no longer official policy. I had no idea what they were about being all European.
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl/0k7LyQy0/s8/lando-norris-mclaren-lewis-ham-1.jpg
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Up to Styria F1 Qualifying –
Looking forward to watching recorded F1 Race on Wife’s Foxtel after 4 year old live in Grandson has finished watching Paw Patrol,
then replay last night’s Tour De France on SBS On Demand followed by 2nd Episode of Lance Armstrong on SBS On Demand Heroes & Villains on my LG OLED W7 65″ Wall TV
BOM Sydney currently 10C – great day to Veg in Lockdown.
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New York Has No Idea Whatsoever How To “Decarbonize” Its Electric Grid
Reposted from the MANHATTAN CONTRARIAN
June 25, 2021/ Francis Menton
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/27/new-york-has-no-idea-whatsoever-how-to-decarbonize-its-electric-grid/
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“It appears that not one moment’s thought has been given to the potential engineering difficulties or costs of completely revamping an electrical grid that has taken over 100 years of incremental engineering improvements to develop to its current state.”
Absolute gold
You see this everyday in Oz , whether its the clueless leftist numpties here, the media and the political class. Full of buzzwords and no idea about basic fundamentals or how they might even attempt to get there from here. SA was an outstanding example of this lack of thinking and California is circling the drain in a much bigger way.
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The transgender debate is amazing. What debate? A tiny group of men want to compete against women in women only events because they insist they have a right to do so. I doubt there is any rule against women competing against men. And as they are genetically men, why not? Win if you can, dressed as women. They can even change clothes with the men and go to the male toilets, as happens in every household. They already have this right.
After all years of angst about those with XXY (Kleinfelter syndrome) competing against women while genetically both men and women, it is absurd to think that the womens’ events are being invaded by all conquering men (XX) who insist they are women (XY), when the only answer is that dramatically improves their chances of winning prizes and fame. Biological gender is fact, not some sort of social fantasy.
The social media movement which insists that all people are identical, that gender does not exist, race does not exist, countries do not exist and people have the right to do whatever they want is not a fight for freedom. It is a fight against freedom and reality.
After a century of the long fight to have womens’ rights, women only events, women competing in extreme events like the marathon and women’s prizes, a tiny group of people want to take them away. Gender like talent, freedom including freedom of speech, individuality, democracy and the United States itself, are now just ‘ideas’. And according to Biden, Harris, the Democrat party and the press, failed ideas.
And the farce of women’s tennis where they only play three sets but earn the same as men who play five is a typical result of nutty equality, insisting women can do far less work for the same pay.
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Regarding your comment about tennis, I have always thought it unfair that someone can play a fraction of the amount that men do and get paid the same money. Although it is a fairly new innovation i don’t remember anyone commenting on this at the time. It was just nodded through.
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There is also the fair work aspect. The viewing public pay for the incredible and long matches, riveting entertainment, such as McEnroe and Bjorg. 1–6, 7–5, 6–3, 6–7(16–18), 8–6 in three hours 53 minutes.
Consider that in 2019 Simona Halep defeated Serena Williams in the final, 6–2, 6–2 in a mere 56 minutes, less than an hour of ‘entertainment’.
How can the organizers afford to pay equal prize money except by taking the income from the men’s matches? It is not equal pay for equal work, far from it.
I am not complaining, just pointing out that we have gone a long way from the idea of male female equality.
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The men’s record for 400 metres is 43.03 seconds. The women’s record is 47.6 seconds. A man who runs 47.0 seconds would beat every woman in the world but be a huge 40 metres behind the current men’s record holder. In a women’s competition he would win every race in the world, prizes and fame, so the temptation is great. How much of this is about equality and how much about money?
Consider Professor Bruce Pascoe whose last book was a flop. He was advised that it would sell well if he were an aborigine and suddenly it is aboriginal Brue Pascoe and he has been given a Professorship, his work is famous and taught in schools and he has sold over 100,000 copies, won Book of the year and a Professorship at Melbourne University. And despite the fact that he has no aboriginal ancestors, he identifies as one and says he has aboriginal ancestors, without evidence. He is also from three different tribes, all of whom deny it. And no one in the media except Andrew Bolt raised an eyebrow. It’s obviously all about the money, fame, privilege, success and the rewards of telling lies and playing the victim are endless. You too can be a millionaire aborigine.
The is not equality, it is fake. Is it so diffent from the Climatebaggers and the fake scientists at JCU who now have a track record for fake data?
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Or these comments on the JCU scandal(s) from Professor Ridd himself.
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You ask “What debate?”
There wasn’t a debate, the MSM and Academia have decided for you, no one else’s views matter:
A man insisting he’s a woman now, carries more weight than ANY NUMBER of women who disagree …. according to the NEW tenets of Leftism.
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I think for balance, because we are all about equality and fairness after all, every national sporting body needs to keep a trans register. Whenever a male trans athlete is allowed to compete in male sport, then one female trans athlete is allowed to compete in womens sport. This would allow this wonderful initiative to proceed in a balanced and equitable way.
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Shamelessly duplicating myself,I ask this Question..
Does it matter?
If our governments are stupid?
Or if they are evil?
Of course the combination always seems more likely.
Now from a Canadian Centric POV..
As this Dread Covid theatre drags on..
Stupid,Gullible and incompetent?
Or Evil with a plan?
What explains the behaviour of our “Leaders”?
Why did they declare an Medical Emergency?
Why did they then throw out the Government Plan for such emergency?
Why did they do the exact opposite of what years of research into “State Response to Pandemics” recommended?
Stupid? Or Evil?
Does it matter?
Does it matter is important,because actions speak for themselves.
Our Bureaucracies informed our elected Fools and Bandits,that a medical disaster was at hand.
The politicians abandoned all of their oath sworn responsibilities and granted the bureaus full emergency powers.
Both then served the individual citizens notice,”You have no rights,no freedoms and no rule of law, until this ’emergency’ ends”.
Even those few Premiers who recognized this trap,were eventually cowed into imposing these measures.
Now we begin to see the truth getting its boots on.
Pandemic?
Nope.
Emergency?
Evidence not yet provided.
Other than the observation,no mass graves nor civil collapse anywhere,even in places with no help at all.
And yet the “Emergency” goes on.
So Stupid?
Then fire them all as they have betrayed every thing that makes civil society and allowed bureaucrats to rule,causing enormously greater damage than a pandemic ever could or would.
Or Evil?
Then fire them all as they have allowed the Bureaus to run wild,destroying everything we value and murdered a huge number of citizens trapped in government “care”.
An emergency was declared.
Now it must be justified.
Or everyone involved is guilty of criminal acts against the citizenry.
Treason most foul.
So does it matter?
For we arrive at the same place.
Our current leadership and civil service are too dangerous to be allowed to continue.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Those who have orchestrated this Dread Covid Theatre must now answer.
And so far,we see their actions?
Zero answers.
More laws,bidding the citizens”Shut up”.
Over the top propaganda for a “Solution” more damaging than the problem.
“Get your government Goo,it’s double plus good for you” ..Side effects more damaging than virus being “vaccinated against”.
And blatant overt censorship of all who want the owed answers..
Yes Government has the right to declare :”Emergency” .
But they had better be right.
I have seen no convincing evidence.
And being wrong costs us so much,that heads must roll.
Power comes with responsibilities.
Unless you are a clueless progressive .
And in a jab at “Heritage Canada” another bunch of useless scum,”The Guillotine,because it is our heritage”.
So does it matter?
Should I go on to compare bureaucracy to fire?
Each can be fine servants,but must never be allowed to escape.
For they consume everything.
Hows your bankrupt country doing?
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The Temperature of the Whole and the Parts
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/27/the-temperature-of-the-whole-and-the-parts/
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Reading through the comments, humorous and insightful, I found this.
https://www.18thcenturycommon.org/tags/coal/
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“Singapore’s surprising new plan to ‘live with covid’ revealed
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
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A country that has been one of the world’s most successful at combating Covid-19 has announced it will soon fundamentally change how it manages the pandemic.
The city state of Singapore has stated covid will be treated like other endemic diseases such as flu.
There will be no goals of zero transmission. Quarantine will be dumped for travellers and close contact of cases will not have to isolate. It also plans to no longer announce daily case numbers.
But you may need to take tests to head to the shops or go to work.
Senior Singaporean ministers have said it is the “new normal” of “living with covid”.
“The bad news is that Covid-19 may never go away. The good news is that it is possible to live normally with it in our midst,” wrote Singapore’s trade Minister Gan Kim Yong, finance minister Lawrence Wong and health minister Ong Ye Kung said in an editorial in the Straits Times this week.
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Finally. Now let’s play follow the leader on this wise initiative and begin the unlinking of emergency powers from the new endemic normal.
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“Losing The Plot On COVID”
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/losing-plot-covid?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter
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This guy has the right idea. He drives on the public roads in a vintage coal powered steam truck.
Trigger warning for Leftists.
https://youtu.be/kCwYEcu7osM
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It appears they are not wearing seat belts!
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How they rebuild lead acid batteries in Pakistan and give your original battery back.
https://youtu.be/sbRvXulcKAU
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Loved it David! Nearly as good as the truck restoration video.
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James Cook under the spotlight once again.
https://notrickszone.com/2021/06/27/james-cook-university-researchers-refuted-ocean-acidification-does-not-impair-fish-behaviour/
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James Cook university, enough said!
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Say, Queensland has re-introduced the draconian measures, everything short of a complete lockdown, (but wait a day or so, it’s coming) masks, border shutdown, turning people away at airports and the border, rolling out the concrete blocks at the border, armed police, the whole deal.
Hmm, who would have thought they were going to do this.
And on the morning after the State Of Origin too. Not Friday, Saturday, Sunday, when things were the same, but Monday morning. And bright and early too, at 9AM , you know, like they couldn’t even wait for the cameras to warm up in the cold weather. That woman who runs the State, and her offsider, that Palaszczuk woman would have had to have been in hair and makeup by 7AM.
Now who would have thought that something like this could happen, be even contemplated to happen, and so early in the morning ….. AFTER the Origin match.
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/06/csiro-australian-unis-in-with-wuhan-lab-too-and-forgot-to-mention-it-for-18-months/#comment-2437544
Tony.
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You nailed it Tony! Sickening, isn’t it?
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Annie,
what is the most sickening part of all is how totally predictable this really was, the cynicism and hypocrisy of announcing it AFTER Origin, and so early on the morning after.
And what else is sickening?
The fact that the Media have given her a pass on this rank hypocrisy, and all looked the other way, in fact, praising the decision for all of this.
I’m no seer who looked into the future and fluked something like this.
This was a dead set certainty to happen.
Tony.
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Next time anyone wants to know about potential lockdowns or COVID restrictions just ask either the AFL or NRL. Don’t ask the CMHO’s, ask Gillon McLachlan (AFL CEO). During 2020 and now this year they appeared to have forward advice regarding lockdowns. Toby Green (who plays for the AFL Giants- Sydney) was rung on Wednesday afternoon last week and advised he had to catch a flight that day to flee Sydney. He was on the golf course at the time.
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The sudden determination for universal mask wearing in south east Queensland was really quite predictable. 😀
After such an embarrassing loss at Suncorp Stadium on Sunday night it was only natural QLDers would not want to show their face in the street.
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“ The TGA reviews all deaths reported after vaccination and monitors for safety signals. Part of our analysis includes comparing expected natural death rates to observed death rates following immunisation. To date, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination is actually less than the expected number of deaths.”
Isn’t it strange that when old people die after receiving the vaccine we have to compare the natural death rate, but when old people die with COVID-19 it’s all the virus.
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TGA reporting Database of Adverse Events Notification
You can plug in the Covid treatments versus Influenza Vaccines.
From the results from the same period for which results are available to the general public (held for 90 days):
Influenza Vaccine reported Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 1161
Deaths: 3
Covid treatment experiment reported Number of cases with a single suspected medicine: 3340
Deaths: 23
The database does not report the actual numbers injected for each medicine and the Covid one appears to be nearly exclusively Pfizer (COMIRNATY COVID-19 vaccine (active ingredients: BNT162b2 (mRNA)))
Maybe that database is wrong but it is reporting 318 deaths and over 30000 adverse effects in the last weekly report.
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String of anomalously warm SST require explanation?
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-306.72,-55.61,530/loc=142.609,-5.136
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Amazing display. Personally I consider the air temperature an artifact of the sun and ocean surface and this idea of CO2 controlling air temperature even slightly is ridiculous. There is simply no permanent CO2 blanket effect. You would see an increase in nighttime temperatures in desert areas, not daytime temperatures. The air just heats up too quickly in the desert when the sun comes up. Sea surface temperatures though are an artifact of what is underneath the surface as well and currents are 3D as water plummets and rises, oscillates. Night and day do not matter at all, except to a calm ocean surface. The depths in the South Atlantic can reach 8.5km and the heat swirling around would be massive. Mapping sea surface temperatures is useful in weather forecasting, but predicting or explaining sea surface temperatures?
Until we have a real measure of ocean currents in their 3D paths and a measure of the total heat they transport, long term temperature prediction is rubbish. So much for man made weather, let alone man made CO2. One thing you can guarantee though is that if ocean surface temperatures go up, CO2 goes up. The human contribution is steady and tiny and vanishes, despite the best efforts of the Climatebaggers to pretend highly soluble CO2 is not rapidly absorbed.
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In looking at the depths of the Atlantic, I noted one figure 74,471,500 cu mi as the volume. Now considering that none of that volume is below zero, how much heat is contained? It must be measured in thousands of years of solar radiation. If we wanted to extract power from our greatest resource, we should be using ammonia based generators working on the temperature gradient as the oceans are not only a huge solar battery, they are solar collectors from a vast area, compared with so called solar farms which destroy the landscape we need for food and living.
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You don’t suppose it might have something to do with undersea activity along the boundary between the Pacific and Antarctic plates?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tectonic_plates_and_ring_of_fire.png
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It may be just an undersea upwellling. It depends on the numbers. You are at perhaps 50 South. So even cool water would be relatively hot.
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It may be just an undersea upwellling. It depends on the numbers. You are at perhaps 50 South. So even cool water would be relatively hot.
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The Southern Ocean does have upwelling and may explain the anomalous heat.
‘The majority of the dense water upwells from a depth of roughly 2–3 km along sloping density layers with little heat input or mixing required.
‘The upwelling exerts a huge influence on Earth’s atmosphere and climate. Because the newly exposed water is cold, it absorbs a vast amount of excess heat from the atmosphere.’ (Physics Today)
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I meant Indian and Antarctic plates.
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In looking at the depths of the Atlantic, I noted one figure 74,471,500 cu mi as the volume. Now considering that none of that volume is below zero, how much heat is contained? It must be measured in thousands of years of solar radiation. If we wanted to extract power from our greatest resource, we should be using ammonia based generators working on the temperature gradient as the oceans are not only a huge solar battery, they are solar collectors from a vast area, compared with so called solar farms which destroy the landscape we need for food and living.
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Such generators were proposed and tested in the 1970s with the OPEC engineered world oil shortage. Strangely none of those great ideas were raised in the fake world of Climate Change. It is all wind and sun and the odd wave generator. I guess only things science free lawyers/politicians/bankers could understand. No storage of electrical power in combustible aluminum either. Cheaper and safer than oil, manufacturable and transportable and 100% recyclable. 80 litres of aluminium instead of 80 litres of petrol would work. Same cost.
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Im sure there are other developments ongoing for extracting power from the oceans, but the ones that seem to be in the news most lately are the tidal/ocean current turbines.
https://electrek.co/2021/04/23/the-worlds-most-powerful-tidal-turbine-launches-in-scotland/
Obviously a long way off being mainstream commercial, with plenty of issues to address.
Hard to imagine power production costs being competitive with most other sources, and very hard to imagine something like that lasting many years of open ocean operation without serious maintenance !
There has to be a better way !
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Hawaii had one which used the difference in temps between deep ocean and surface water to drive an Organic Rankine Cycle turbine, never seemed to be much of a success. I think it’s name was OTEC.
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Just found a quote that seems to be extremely appropriate in the Covid vaccine shambles:
“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert”. – J Robert Oppenheimer.
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It is part of our inalienable right to express one’s own opinion and even to be scathing of the opinions of others in a peaceful manner without fear of reprisal. So, if say a person or group of people censor such expressions, they have crossed the line and declared you don’t have that right to that sort of free speech. Yet it happens all the time, in schools, Universities, governments, big business, etc.. It’s really no wonder we are on the decline and unless things are turned around we will end up being no different to totalitarian nations, such as China when it comes to free speech.
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Update on defection (or not) of Dong Jingwei.
https://youtu.be/XWVmXet4M1U
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There is a lot of misinformation running around. Mr. Dong is supposedly in China.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9724919/Beijing-release-photo-Chinese-defector-fled-Wuhan-lab-secrets-Shanghai.html
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I am personally persuaded that it is true.
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Green Credentials
‘Two of the world’s first one-gigawatt turbines started full power generation on Monday at the giant Baihetan hydropower station in southwestern China.
According to state broadcaster CCTV, Baihetan started generating electricity on Monday, after a three-day trial operation. When completed, it will house 16 China-developed generators, providing a total capacity of 16 gigawatts.
‘Baihetan, on the border between Yunnan and Sichuan provinces, will be the second largest hydropower station in the world – after the Three Gorges Dam – when all generators are up and running in July next year. The 220 billion yuan (US$34 billion) project is being built by the China Three Gorges Corporation.’ (SCMP)
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The perfect fit of Prof Weiss to world temperatures shows a drop of about 1C over the next ten to fifteen years and maybe another 1C by 2050. What that means is that cancelling coal will be impossible. Those people dropping out of coal (BHP today) are making a very short term move to quieten a few activists, like most companies.
The demand for more energy will be unstoppable and windfarms have now had two decades to prove themselves and they and solar farms will start to collapse, as has been happening in the US. In fifteen years, the attrition rate will be dramatic where the coal and gas stations will be carrying the baseload, as always. And the world will start to run out of oil.
The shame of the $1.5Trillion spent every year trying to control Carbon Dioxide has been an utter failure. There has been no observed effect, even with grounding the world’s air fleet and much road traffic. A naive person would think human output obviously irrelevant even with 300,000 windmills and billions of solar panels, but that would be Climate Change heresy! What does anyone think ‘net zero’ is going to achieve except ruination?
The same sort of money spent developing fusion might have seen us able to husband coal resources for fertilizer, plastics and all the other products we need in the modern world. And without creating vast amounts of material for atomic weapons.
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‘ … temperatures shows a drop of about 1C over the next ten years …’
That is a large drop, I’m thinking half a degree might be a more prudent number. So what are the atmospheric mechanisms in play to bring this about. The year is 2031 and the ocean oscillations are very negative?
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A great summary.
One point though;
“The shame of the $1.5Trillion spent every year trying to control Carbon Dioxide has been an utter failure”.
Failure? The whole exercise was designed to shift money from one point to another; that’s been achieved.
Main drop off points, China and Germany plus the local “facilitators” who obviously enjoyed the ride.
Mission accomplished.
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Ref 61.
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Another perspective sent by a friend;
Alan Jones’s view.
https://youtu.be/nL105z3Ul4g
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Very interesting article.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/public-health/2021/06/covid-19-where-are-we-going/
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It’s a long article.
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One thing must be said about the CO2 Climate Change rapid turning point Armageddon drowned polar bears How Dare You myth is that some good things are happening. Electricity consumption is really dropping with LEDs. Higher efficiency coal burning generators will save a lot of the world’s coal. Where fully Electric cars are a bad joke which must stop soon, hybrid cars will save half our petrol which is a good thing. And keeping our coal in the ground means we will have coal when everyone else runs out, even if that does make us a target for invasion. The same is true for US oil and gas. However the windtowers and solar panels are about as much use as Easter Island statues.
And as for people paying a premium for steady supply, that’s what we used to have. How can ‘free’ power be free if the price has tripled and we pay a penalty for using what we need? How can anyone suggest that Wind and solar is cheaper when it is obviously three times the price? Or where is all the cash going?
As a final word, coal is free. Or as free as wind or solar and occupies a tiny fraction of the land for the same energy.
Soon to be closed Liddell generates 2GW, 2,000 MW. To quote one source, “the total land required for a 1 MW of solar PV power plant will be about 4 acres.” So 2,000MW requires roughly 8,0000 acres or 12.5 Square miles lost and that’s just idealized nameplate. Of course it does not work for most of the day, so there’s no comparison really. Even if you had the world’s biggest battery, you would need 50 square miles of land to match Liddell.
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It’s odd isn’t it. If you try to build and airport or power station, the Greens come out of the woodwork with their black throated finches or bottom breathing turtles (I kid you not). But if you want to ruin the landscape with bird chomping, eagle slicing humming windmills or square miles total clearing for solar panels (say the rare Judas tree), no species is threatened and the areas are just bulldozed. No one signs are reparations or restoration agreement. They just walk away twenty years later. An empty desert for all time, covered in non recyclable hazardous waste.
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And it was fascinating when the former leader of the Greens objected so strongly to an energy company wanting to put a huge array of windmills in his pristine forest retreat on NW Tasmania. How dare they!
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Electric cars! So many times I hear the claim that electric cars are “emission free”. I can just as accurately claim my electric oven is emission free.
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Very true…but..
You do realise that the mining operations surrounding the Liddel power plant amount to SEVERAL HUNDRED square kilometers .!
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But a lot of that mining is support a large export market, not just Liddel.
Cheers
Dave B
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British BBC Scolds Australia for Failing to Embrace Net Zero
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/28/british-bbc-scolds-australia-for-failing-to-embrace-net-zero/
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I am sick and tired of the renewable/clean energy debate. As I have said before on this website….Only wood and water are renewable. Solar, Wind and Storage Batteries are NOT RENEWABLE. Yes, they are clean (wrt CO2 emissions), but not renewable. When are these ignorant politicians (and ‘scientists’) going to realise that “renewable” energy is just the new capitalism (eg: Al Gore investing in renewable energy companies), and the new ” planned obsolescence” (just how long do you think solar panels/wind turbines/storage batteries are going to last?}. I’m laughing at the future problem of dumping used panels, turbines etc…just check out Napa Valley in California.
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