Weatherzone report that Thursday was the equal coldest morning ever recorded anywhere in Australia in summer time. Oddly, there were no preemptive emergency warnings the night before, no news stories announcing the area “might” hit a new record, no camera teams visited the scene and the BOM did not invent a Coldsnap Emergency Alert System to tell Australians to put on a jumper.
On Thursday, Perisher Valley in the Australian Alps got down to minus 7.0 C (19F) equaling the record set in Perisher in January 1979 and which was also reached at Charlottes Pass in December 1999.
Oddly, no one blamed this on climate change, or mentioned that it would have been worse if we hadn’t burnt all that coal. After all, without CO2, it would have been minus ten, right?
Weatherzone https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/australias-lowest-summer-temp-on-record/973624
There were more news headlines about the heat that didn’t happen than there were about the cold that did.
While no media outlets have mentioned this cold record, many have run the story that temperatures might reach 48C this weekend and they issued plenty of warnings. As it happens the 48C was a fizzer on Saturday (the hottest was 44.9), and looks like missing tomorrow too (the forecast peak is now 45C). Hence imaginary heatwaves beat actual cold.
Apologies to Northern Hemisphere friends in winter, we know “it’s nothing”. But it is supposed to be hot here in December. Yet snow has continued to fall on Australian ski fields in NSW, Victoria and Tasmania this year with a “staggering 25cm” falling on Perisher just days before summer officially began.
Perisher Valley past daily minimums. | Current Observations Perisher |
h/t David
Record hot temperatures in Australia are being broken 12 times more often than cold ones.
https://phys.org/news/2022-06-ways-australia-cold-global.html#:~:text=Still%2C%20record%20hot%20temperatures%20in,suggests%20this%20is%20the%20reality.
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Especially when they measure new records with electronic thermometers that can detect “one second” records. The old glass thermometers didn’t stand a chance…
They shrank the screens, cool the past, ignore the satellites, erase cold records, and adjust with secret algorithms using thermometers over bitumen and near incinerators and 1,500 kilometers away.
It’s easy to hit new records if you delete the historic ones. Remember Bourke at 51.7 in 1909. Neither do they…
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I’m sorry. but don’t ‘official records’start 1910. There is no climate history record prior, except for that interpreted from ice cores and tree rings. Anything else is just pure conjecture and wild figments of imagination from poets and folksong writers. How could ice ages ever be a fact with minimal human production of CO2; not enough people lived long enough to breathe enough CO2 out and there couldn’t have been enough free roaming ruminants to put out enough methane either. The sun and universe are never changing and the stories of asteroid collions are also just figments of imagination for science fiction. Just like Einstein, Newton, and that dreamer Galileo who got his comeuppance. The dream that elephants might fly is very much alive.
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But there’s the rub Doc. Official records start long before the BOM was formed. Sydney Observatory data on temperature goes back to 1859. All this data is freely available to the 0.1% of Australians who know how to search the BOM site for it.
Melbourne Regional Office starts in 1855.
What the BOM never does is combine this early data in a single graph through to today. But they will say they haven’t deleted anything. It’s just ignored…
Perth rainfall data starts in 1877. But truth be told, there are newspaper records of temperature and rainfall that go back even further and the BOM shows zero interest in collecting that kind of climate data. In some papers there are graphs of Sydney and Melbourne rainfall going back 178 years.
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The Adelaide data goes back to about 1858 under sir Charles Todd, further from others. It is by far the best capital city record but is missing from then till 1887. There are a lot of post 1910 BoM Stevenson screen records missing as well. Regardless of what they say, that it once existed can be proven. This should not be ignored by those who can reign in the BoM deletions.
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If my memory is correct at one stage weren’t the Liberals under Abbott going to do an audit of the BOM and this got knocked on the head by Greg Hunt ? I have no doubt there has been amazing tweaking ( to be polite) of data to suit the climate narrative by climate activists running the BOM. I feel that a lot of sceptics have just given up on trying to pressure governments to make the BOM transparent in what they’re doing. I think clear evidence of manipulation would at least help to make an indoctrinated community at least start to question their beliefs. I’m surprised that no whistleblowers have emerged to expose the manipulations of the climate complex but once cracks appear I’d be hoping there will be a flood of people coming forward.
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If my memory is correct at one stage weren’t the Liberals under Abbott going to do an audit of the BOM and this got knocked on the head by Greg Hunt ?”
Greg Hunt- isn’t that another U.N. stooge within the Liberal Party?
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Yes! An active participant in the WEF and a follower of Schwab. He was also behind the Covid vaccine fracas.
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The bureau of meteorology in 1909 themselves deprecated all the earlier temperatures because they had changed to Stephenson screens I believe and the measurements ended up being cooler (can’t remember by how much) . Of course the modern BOM could always adjust the older temperatures to include them. But then they’d have to decide on their methodology, which would probably cause a mental crisis for them: “Do we have an upward sloping graph or assume they were much the same on average? When did global warming start?”
The electronic thermometers is a disgusting scandal and someone should go to prison over it.
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” electronic thermometers that can detect “one second” records.”
It is actually a lot worse than that. The electronics can detect much shorter periods than one second but not of temperature of random electrical noise via either induction into the analogue platninum conductor or more likely the four wire cable from the platinum in the Stevenson to the local Analogue to digital system at the Weather site.
They record 60 spot readings per minute. Then delete from the short term maximum record all but the highest instantaneous reading. A single spot reading really has no duration at all that is why it is called instantaneous. It is just a point in time. It takes two of them to give you an interval or sampling rate between samples but they delete the others. Selecting just one spot sample per minute can randomly syncronise with electrical interference like a lightning strike. The duration and timing of the interference is what matters. They remove really wild ones but allow a series of small steps than could all be electrical noise.
Automatic Weather Station review link at bottom of page read 4.2.2 to 4.2.6 from the review at the link at the bottom of the page here.
https://media.bom.gov.au/releases/378/bureau-welcomes-findings-of-automatic-weather-station-review/
What the BoM do differently to the WMO standard is to average the 60 instantaneous readings or more. They say that the thermal averaging of thermometer sheath material matches the thermal time constant of a mercury thermometer. But this ignores that one of the reasons the WMO specify a minute or more averaging is to deal with electrical noise.
If they took 100 samples per second and averaged those it would be an improvement and could be called a one second reading but what they really do is worse and they should not be call it a “one-second” value because an instananeous reading has no duration. They should really average a fast sampling rate over a minute or more to join the dots smoothly but don’t average at all. Not even over one second. In short they claim to have dealt only with the need to filter out thermal noise but don’t even claim to have dealt with electrical noise by averaging as specified by the WMO.
Lance Pidgeon.
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Ooops “What the BoM do differently to the WMO standard is to average the 60 instantaneous readings or more.”
Should read What the BoM do differently to the WMO standard is to NOT average the 60 instantaneous readings or more.
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Important to note that the minimum temperature works the other way around with all but the one coldest instantaneous value being kept each minute and then the coldest of those each day. So the extremes are both artificially made more extreme by electrical noise. Electrical noise from both humans and nature is more likely in the day time. So the average shift would be up in temperature reading. An example is the sun as a source of electrical noise capable of occasionally melting telegraph wires and setting telegraph paper on fire, see Carrington event, but easily capable of frequent small effects.
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What?! Just what are you saying? Full of amazing ideas.
Tell us where you got all this stuff, what books have you been reading?
Don’t be afraid, be like me and just come out and say it . .
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It would be more accurate to say that anything before 1910 proves that climate change is a scam and therefore has to be suppressed.
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Yes an obvious cyclic change or just a large natural variation in the data would not fit the narrative either. No need to assume what the data said. It’s absence is enough to declare the past is unlikely to be as desired.
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The next 4 days (mon12-Thu15) are all below 0 in & around Perisher/Thredbo, and it might get even colder than -7 on Wed14/Thu15, so look for the BOM to switch off the weather stations.
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No, they don’t switch off the weather stations, but anything below -10C will simply be deleted (that’s what happened last time).
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Just a cracked record Simon.
Warm is good , CO2 is manna.
Crawl back under your rock.
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Perhaps a new acronym is needed: HICCUP
Human Induced Climate Change Utter Plonkers
Quick, before it’s erased – Mt Baw Baw in for FIVE (5) days of snow next week, Monday to Friday, according to Das Bureau – a week of it! In December! Freezing snow! Hohoho…
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It’s going to be very interesting watching next summer develop, and the one after that … and …
You never know: we might be ending up recording record lows …
and hoping for the reappearance of Summer again. (That may take another twenty or more years).
Such cooling from this Secular Solar Minimum has come just a little early …
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Simple Simon met a pie man while going to the Fair. Said Simple Simon to the pie man – sdfjsdkghkdghksdgaksdfjaskjdf (gobbledygook).
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Said the pie man to simple simon; “show me first your penny”.
Indeed he has not any.
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Brisbane set a record cold day for summer on the 1St December, the 1St day of summer this year.
It was mentioned in passing on one TV news. I don’t know if it made it on the ABC, I haven’t tuned anything onto an ABC channel in a decade or more.
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The coldest Brisbane December morning since 02 Dec 1888.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_040214_All.shtml
Weatherzone published a reassuring piece (and managed to get the year wrong too) about how it wasn’t cold at all, and we’re all insane:
“Brisbane’s coldest December day on record was way back on December 2, 1889 (**1888**), when the mercury struggled its way to a top of just 18.9°C.
Thursday, December 1, 2022 was more than a degree colder than that all day long between sunrise and sunset on Thursday. In fact the highest temp in that period was just 17.8°C.
Yet Thursday wasn’t Brisbane’s coldest December day on record, and here’s why
For meteorological purposes, the BoM classifies an Australian weather “day” as the 24-hour period between 9 am one day and 9 am the next day. You have to draw the line somewhere, and that’s how it’s drawn here (many countries do mignight to midnight).”
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/almost-brisbanes-coldest-december-day/960097
I don’t know how long BOM has been using 9am to 9am to set daily records, but that system means it’s almost impossible to record a freak low-maximum. It stinks of junk-science to me.
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The 9 to 9 was probably so the person, (often the town postmaster) had time to get out and reset the old “U” thermometers and empty the rain gauge after getting the recordings for the 24 hours. I’m guessing they didn’t want to do it at mid night.
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** I should have said “coldest day since records began – 1840” **
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Not that long ago was the coldest period in 10,000 years.
Thank goodness it warmed rather than got colder. !
But the Sun will do that. !
Certainly, as you keep showing us…. there is no evidence of any warming by increased atmospheric CO2 anywhere on the planet.
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The old glass thermometers were read twice a day at fixed times and very rarely would that coincide with either the coldest or warmest temperature recorded during a 24 hour peripd.
My own thermometers have never hit their max or min at what would have been the scheduled times. A whole book was written about this back in the 1890’s.
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Did the BoM or predecessors before 1906 ever use Six’s thermometers (maximum/minimum thermometers, invented 1780)?
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I always assumed that they did use maximum/minimum thermometers, a simple device which show as well as the current temp the highest and the lowest readings since the last reset, whether that be an hour, a day or a year ago.
Which makes it quite disingenuous to disallow Bourke’s 125 degrees on the basis that the thermometer was not attended that day.
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Yes, as far as I know they’ve always used minimax thermometers.
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I would like someone to clear up this point about maximum and minimum temperatures recordings. When were these thermometers introduced as routine in weather records?
It was back in ‘74 that we were the weather observers at Kundiawa in the PNG Highlands. I can only recall two thermometers in our Stevenson Screen — one wet and one dry. Our routine was 6, 9, 12, 3 and 6 o’clock, so we probably never coincided with a minimum temperature. Not that it mattered — the temperature in the Highlands was always balmy.
Ours was quite an important station. Kundiawa was usually the first to get a clear morning sky. Kundiawa is at the “crossroads” of the Whagi and Chimbu rivers so, any prevailing wind would clear the clouds quite early. Pilots liked to know that they could divert to our airport if other Highland destinations were still clouded in. They needed our 6am report on cloud cover. No one was very interested in our temperature or rainfall.
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Thanks Michael,
That takes me back. I was primary school age when I lived in PNG. I am pretty sure I was a passenger in a light plane that landed and took off from Kundiawa.
How were your weather records recorded? Did you radio them to someone after every measurement?
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Peter,
We jotted down the stats on a special pad. Then a little after the appointed hour we received a phone call from the bureau and relayed them in the prescribed order. I suppose we sent the reports in at the end of each month.
My wife was officially the weather observer, but I seemed to always cop the 6am obs as she got involved with our young son who woke as soon as there was any disturbance in the house.
The Kundiawa strip is a beauty, isn’t it? If you hadn’t taken off by the time you got to the end of it you’d be airborne anyway, and either up-and-away or crashed into the river 400 feet down.
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Spent three weeks in Nuku in 1970.
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Same at Garoka. One landed uphill and just managed to stop before hitting the BurnsPhilp (?) store at the end of the runway. Taking off was just as exciting. As you say, there was absolutely no problem getting airborne when there is about 1000ft of air beneath you at the end of the runway. Soooo exciting!
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My mate Ian Fischer was an airline pilot up there then. I wonder if you know him?
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Do you have a reference for that Tony? I did a search but couldn’t find it.
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David
I wrote a series of articles on historic temperatures which appeared at WUWT probably 12 years ago.
Unfortunately with all the changes at WUWT over the years, my article seems to have disappeared. I think it was the first in a series of three but this is all that now shows
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/14/little-ice-age-thermometers-–-history-and-reliability/
I will have a look in the morning on my computer to see if I still have the original but it may have been moved over the years
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Thanks Tony.
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David
I have searched my files. Here is the relevant bit together with the link to the old book. Can you please confirm you have seen this post??
“The skill and diligence of the observer were of course paramount, as was the quality of the instrumentation and that a consistent methodology was employed, but this did not prevent the numerous variables conspiring to make the end result-an accurate daily temperature reading-very difficult to obtain.
Many of these basic concerns can be seen here in this contemporary description from a 1903 book which relates how temperature recordings of the time were handled. The “Handbook of Climatology” by Dr Julius von Hann (b. 23 March 1839 d. 1 October 1921) are the sometimes ascerbic observations of this Austrian, considered the ‘father of meteorology.’
The book touches on many fascinating aspects of the science of climatology at the time, although here we will restrict ourselves to observations on land temperatures. (It can be read in a number of formats as shown on the left of page on the link below).
http://www.archive.org/details/pt1hanhdbookofcli00hannuoft
This material is taken from Chapter 6 which describes how mean daily temperatures are taken;
‘if the mean is derived from frequent observations made during the daytime only, as is still often the case, the resulting mean is too high…a station whose mean is obtained in this way seems much warmer with reference to other stations than it really is and erroneous conclusions are therefore drawn on its climate, thus (for example) the mean annual temperature of Rome was given as 16.4c by a seemingly trustworthy Italian authority, while it is really 15.5 .”
That readings should be routinely taken in this manner even in major European centres as late as the 1900’s is surprising.
There are numerous veiled criticisms in this vein;
“the means derived from the daily extremes (max and min readings) also give values which are somewhat too high, the difference being about 0.4c in the majority of climates throughout the year.”
Other complaints made by Doctor von Hann include this comment, concerning the manner in which temperatures are observed;
‘the combination of (readings at) 8am, 2pm, and 8pm, which has unfortunately become quite generally adopted, is not satisfactory because the mean of 8+2+ 8 divided by 3 is much too high in summer.’
And; ‘observation hours which do not vary are always much to be preferred.’
That the British- and presumably those countries influenced by them- had habits of which he did not approve, demonstrate the inconsistency of methodology between countries, cultures and amateurs/professionals.
The book was published more than 20 years after the establishment of the US weather service-the year from which James Hansen commenced his Giss records (see section…)
Dr von Hann seems to have pinpointed the remarkable coincidence-also observed by this author- whereby Giss started recording just as a sharp down turn in temperatures came about, thereby exaggerating the decline compared to the relative warmth of the previous years. Von Hann observes the reading in Washington DC in January 1880 as being 5.5c and a year later 2.4c.
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Simon >”Record hot temperatures in Australia are being broken 12 times more often than cold ones”
Probably a true statement on the face of it but we are talking BOM “records” here….
BOM scandal: “smart cards” filter out coldest temperatures. Full audit needed ASAP!
https://joannenova.com.au/2017/08/bom-had-smart-cards-to-filter-out-coldest-temperatures-full-audit-needed-asap/
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Let’s take the Sydney record from a few years ago.
You do know that the Observation Hill AWS never climbed above the old record, set in 1934 (iirc) might have been 1939… don’t you.?
The extra 0.5C that mysteriously appeared, was never explained.
And think of the urban growth around Sydney.
The really hot days come from the west. In the 1930’s a lot of western Sydney would have been small farms or forest.
Now its all suburbia..
Its actually amazing that the Observatory Hill has never actually measured any temperatures greater than in 1934. !!
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In the 1960s Homebush was still agricultural, in “the bush.”
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“western Sydney would have been small farms or forest.” I remember experiencing an urban heat
phenomenon when camping in country Victoria many years ago. We were camping at a caravan park with a small township on one side of us and bushland behind us. As we sat outside sweltering through the evening heat, we noticed that the breeze completely changed direction several times and the incredible difference that it had on the temperature. When it blew from across the township (all of those tin roofs and bitumen) the temperature was almost unbearable but when it blew back the other way, from the bushland the drop in temperature was quite stunning.
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Inner Western Sydney during the 1950s had no multi-story buildings and many open spaces, I remember “cracker night” and local children constructing a huge bonfire during the weeks before and on the night with adult supervision and the local fire brigade the bonfire burnt and many fireworks were exploded.
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They won’t let you do things like that anymore. Too much danger of children having fun and living a life.
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Simon I read through the Conversation piece and they didn’t explain how marine heatwaves are caused by global warming, so I’ll enlighten you.
The general consensus is that blocking high pressure cause marine heatwaves.
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I have a bag full of negative feedback, show us your positive feedback so that we can find the fingerprint.
‘Determining whether climate change helped make a particular weather event more likely or more severe than it would have been—whether a cold snap, a heatwave or flooding rains—requires a formal attribution study, which looks for a climate change “fingerprint”.
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It is noted that Simon, after making a particularly irrelevant comment, has not come back to defend his unawareness and ignorance.
Let’s look at the main points in his link.
1. Put the weather in a long-term context
Yep its cooler now that it has been for nearly all the last 10,000 years.
Only a degree or so above the coldest period, the LIA.
2. Zoom out for a wider view
UAH shows last month as -.0.56 BELOW the normal November temperature.
It has been cooling in Australia since the last (non CO2 caused) El Nino
3. Look at the climate indicators with more ‘memory’
See number #1..
Many global glaciers did not even exist before the LIA.
Arctic sea ice is in the top 5% or so extent of the last 10,000 years.
4. Consider the concept of attribution
Putting one FAKE climate model against another FAKE climate model, with suppository pre-conclusions…
.. is not science of any sort. !
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What the hell will Simon defend, his wet dreams ? 😀
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Here ya go Simon:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/abb92768987f6669fac37b70738cbc94/d9bcda05bea66ddb-3e/s640x960/d88c4ed5b1d6d1710c020c1fddee55f575190a36.jpg
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“… just days before summer officially began.”
I see your problem. You use Dec. 1st as the beginning of the season. If you used Dec. 21st instead – like astronomers and the USA – you would still be in late-spring when “cool” is good. 😂
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So the summer solstice is the beginning of Summer ? You know that Summer has begun when the days start getting shorter.
LOL
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Actually, that quarter of the year with the longest average daylight hours, starts around Nov 10th.
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slight early morning misc-calc.. should be “starts around 6th Nov (month and a half before the solstice.)
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That’s the way our dear Miss Green taught us in Grade 3. The seasons are equally spread around around each solstice or equinox. I agree, summer starts around 6 November depending on which day the solstice actually falls. (You could finesse the start point to the second, if you are pedantic.) It’s laziness to select the 1st of a month for the start of a season.
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Lazy, perhaps. But it makes life so much simpler.
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That’s when it usually starts in central west Qld – but this year we had a month-long reprieve from summer temps.
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But John, we don’t have astronomers in the BUREAU, we have astrologers. Always peering into the glass trying to guess the future.
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I never understood why America used the middle of the month to mark the change in the seasons. That said, why would the northern winter start in mid-December, instead of mid-November?
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Cold doesn’t count.
It doesn’t fit the narrative.
But cold is far more deadly to humans than heat.
And as the world enters a period of cooling, as we come to the end of the present interglacial, the deliberately engineered destruction of our energy supply will cause massive suffering, death and starvation.
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David,
“And as the world enters a period of cooling, as we come to the end of the present interglacial, the deliberately engineered destruction of our energy supply will cause massive suffering, death and starvation.”
Do ask yourself: –
Is it a bug?
Is it a feature?
For those who want – demand – a human population over 90% lower than its current 8 billion, could it be the latter?
As they – mostly – know full well?
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Good find Jo.
Since this cold record wasn’t noticed by the Lamestream Media, I wonder if The Bureau feels they can get away with “homogenising” this record out of existence?
For those who don’t know “homogenisation” is the secret process Australia’s Bureau of
MediocrityMeterology uses to alter historic temperature records in order to fabricate a warning narrative. Plus they simply deleted all of Australia’s carefully recorded temperature data from before 1910.420
This unnoticed cold record proves that most people are utterly ignorant and unaware of the environment. It is obvious to all thinking, rational and self-aware people such as most present company, that Australia has been unusually cold. This can be simply determined just by going outside. But for most of the Sheeple, if they are not told it is record cold, they wouldn’t notice or care.
Also, back in the day when schools used to teach something useful, I remember an exercise in primary school when we were asked to collect synoptic charts as used to be published in newspapers (when they had them) and we studied the chart and the corresponding weather. I doubt that today any child would know what a synoptic chart was.
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After screaming that weather is climate all summer the BBC’s Climate Check reminds us cold is weather not climate stupid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/63916780
The frost/snow days comparison is misleading as although occasional random exceptional winters like 1963 occur, the 1980s had 3 exceptionally cold and snowy winters. The truth is that in southern England snow is a rare event and most winters are and always have been a disappointment in that respect. My whole childhood missed out on decent snow.
This is an oldie but still funny.
https://youtu.be/TQlHaGhYoF0
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That video may be intended to be funny but the idea of going to prison for the thought crime of not following the narrative is not too far from the truth.
The Left are already pushing for this:
https://theoutline.com/post/2202/climate-change-denial-should-be-a-crime
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Oh yes, it’s only a matter of time if something doesn’t change.
I forgot to add today’s weather report from the sunny south coast UK, -6C to +6C but it was only above freezing for 4 hours, only 8 hours of low angle sun this time of year – solar PV is pretty pointless at the moment!
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Mr Grim, how are your energy bills, what is happening on the ground? I find it very hard too gauge from here in Aus.
Is it expensive, are people just paying the extra, are the poor paying large (given I assume middle class can pay more for household bills without much problem as it is here in Aus)?
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It would be funnier if it weren’t so scarily close to home.
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[…] By Jo Nova […]
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“We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
In accents most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began,
One frosty Sunday morn.
Poem by John O’Brien 1921, 1st verse.
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There’ll be bushfires for sure me man
There will without a doubt!
We’ll h’all be rooned” said Hanrahan
“Before the year is out!”
It’s grass here, not bush. I was looking at it yesterday, haying off and there isn’t a bare patch to put the sheep on if there was a fire. Come a fire I will have to hope to make it back to the shed with them.
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Cold again today in northeast Victoriastan.
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Same in North Central. Already started collecting fire wood for next winter. Its a long dead red box, hard as the hobs of hell, living up to the old proverb that firewood keeps you warm at least three times, when you saw it, when you chop it and when you burn it. I have worked up a sweat but its not enough to stop. Just came in for a cuppa and to see if the dog wants to come and help with the next load,
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Wears hard on the chain of the saw. Do you have a log splitter hydraulic machine? If not, get one. Easily worth their cost.
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Philip I can’t quite give up my long handled ( Northern European) splitting axe. Strangely I enjoy splitting wood the “old fashioned ” way with the added benifit of a bit of exercise at the same time. The toughest gnarliest twisted bit of wood is just seen as a challenge. Sledge hammer and wedges are the final option but evrything gives way eventually. The grand daughters are convinced ( along with everyone else ) that I am balmy. Then the questions, why do you do it like that, how do you find the weak spots how do those wood grubs manage to eat wood as tough as concrete and grandpa, can we have a go? Mad, probably, old habits die hard.
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🙂
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The coming Ice Age will occur so gradually and appear insignificant to the casual observer. Humans/Mammals will just adapt! There will be a generational, drift to equatorial parts and we’ll grow more body hair! Greens will doubtless change colour to a more autumnal shade.
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“Greens will doubtless change colour to a more autumnal shade.”
hmmm.. nice comment 😉
You mean the Greens will turn into reds. ? Already happened. !
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They made up for it here in radalaide. Yesterday was a CATASTROPHIC fire day because the wind was slightly warm and blowing from the north.
Obviously the people issuing the booga boogas now days have not been taught the fire triangle and have no idea what 3 years of rain means to a bush fire.
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Yes, Ch7 led its Friday 6pm “news” with catastrophising breathless nonsense about one 35 degree day in an ocean of cold – most maxima (even with BoM’s creative measuring) around 19 next week. And it’s mid-December. As a kid I used to marvel at the stupidity of people in past ages – flat Earth and so on. Not any more.
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I live near a State Forest, where I regularly go walking.
Grass over 1m high, drying off quickly.. lots of small wattle and eucalyptus about 2m high.
As this dries out, it will be a massive tinder-box. !
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Some determined Parkies trying to undertake controlled burns in my part of Victoria. Hopeless, because its just keeps on raining.
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You’re unlucky, you have to go to a state forest. I live in Canberra and my regular walking track has shoulder-height grass. It’s impossible to navigate, unless you’re willing to risk snakes. I really think that the ‘responsible’ minister hates us.
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Sounds like rough dry country. I live by tall blue gum forest I’ve been turning into rainforest, and it’s lush with tree ferns growing rapidly and dark green leaf understory everywhere, no grasses, and in minimal fire risk condition.
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Reporting the ‘Forecast’ and ignoring the ‘Reality’ has been going for quite some time.
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As the world cools following the patterns of the last 250 years based only on the two largest cycles of sun and ocean, at what point will governments order us to burn coal to warm the planet? However I expect they will twist ‘the Science’ to blame coal for the cooling and wait in anxious anticipation for a scientific explanation for man made CO2 driven tipping point Global Cooling.
After all, no one ever bothered to explain how CO2 has been heating the oceans and not the air. Clearly people are anxious to believe anything announced by the International Pushers of Climate Change.
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And you have to love ‘ocean acidification’. 98% of all highly soluble and compressible CO2 is already in the oceans and they are still alkali, so I have never understood what difference another 2% would make. But what substitute will the UN find for the fire and brimstone Global Warming. Freezing to death seems less threatening. And it will make life difficult for cute polar bears, somehow. They just have to think of something because people love dressing up as Polar Bears.
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In any case, since the oceans are naturally buffered, isn’t it impossible for them to become any more acidic?
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I actually commented on a story in one of the major MSM “newspapers”- it mentioned ocean acidification. My comment was that there was no ocean acidification, only that maybe the oceans had become slightly less alkaline. That they were buffered and vary anyway over years and decades etc. But because the piece was specifically quoting a “scientist’ (you know, an expert) my comment was rejected.
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Oceans “getting more acidic” is a multiple lie:
0. ocean pH is not acidic, so even if it got less basic, that is not “more acidic”
1. that the ocean(s) pH(s) is(are) changing
2. that we can measure it
3. that CO2 could cause it
4. that human activity is the source of the CO2
All are either false, or currently unprovable. And, to assert something without proof is as good as a lie.
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Any extra CO2 that the oceans absorb would immediately be sucked up by the animals living there for their structural components (bones and shells). That’s the reason that the oceans are already so alkali.
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That is it, pure and simple.
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The following paper looks at deaths in various countries attributable to cold or heat.
The rate for trmperature related deaths for Australia is 6.5% due to cold, 0.45% due to heat.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)62114-0/fulltext
Mortality risk attributable to high and low ambient temperature: a multicountry observational study
SEE LINK FOR REST
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Good stuff David and that huge study also shows deaths from 13 selected countries around the world and AGAIN note the deaths from MODERATE cold.
https://www.thelancet.com/cms/attachment/79cee7d6-8e9d-4659-a6cf-f334e1403498/gr2.jpg
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Early Saturday morning was cold with some drizzle. So yes, I do believe in the changing Climate (hasn’t it always) but not Global Warming at the moment. Ice Ages creep up quite quickly apparently.
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Clear sky for a change up here in the mid-Hunter.
We might even reach 30ºC today, if we are lucky.
Been overcast, no rain, and rather cool for the last few days.. two blankets on the bed last night.
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In Sydney I meant to say…………………………
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Thank you.
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Some twit within the gov told sen Rennick we need 447GW if storage by 2030 to meet our climate pledge to the UN.
These people have no idea
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(I assume they mean 447GWh, not GW).
Let them try to build it.
Having a rapid economic collapse due to trying to build that much storage would be more tolerable than the long, slow one we are experiencing now.
And it is (maybe) possible that sudden economic collapse might, just might, possibly cause some relevant people to wake up.
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That was a reply to Crakar24.
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They don’t know the difference between gw and gwh
Cheers
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Well, colour me blue with cold.
A place called “Perisher valley” in the alps goes negative. In early summer!
Maybe it’s all that volcanic ash or that antarctic air.
Where else is notoriously cold?
Liawenee down in Tas.
Lessee:
August -14.2C
September -10.7C
October -7.9C
November -6.8C
December -4.5C
Ooohhh, that’s chilly too!
Maybe we’re in a cooling cycle.
Damn you global warming – this is your fault! 😆
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August to December.. a rise of 10ºC
Looks like a very distinct warming trend 😉 😉
We’ll all be baked alive soon, at that rate !!
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So when we had the high temps in 17, 18 and 19 it was climate change.
Now for the last 3 years it’s been cooler it is all about la Nina.
So why wasn’t 17, 18 and 19 all about el nino (which we know it was)
And the plebs out there suffering from brain washing can’t see it . .
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Meant to say a above ‘chronic brain washing’
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There has to be a change in our constitution so that the moron politicians and bureaucrats pay a price for their stupidity.
Their getting off scott free is not serving us well.
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If a company director can be sued for a breach of fiduciary duties I don’t see why that principle shouldn’t also apply to politicians and senior public serpents although currently they are unsuable.
The damage politicians and senior public serpents are doing to the country is far greater than any company director could ever do.
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The legacy media are fast going the way of the scriptoriums. Who pays them any attention anyway?!
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You know, I thought that as well. But a lot of the MSM newsfeeds feed into the News Updates on smartphones. Most notably the ABC updates. This is where I think the majority of people are now getting their news.
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Psst. The earth’s on fire, pass it on.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/12/07/this-george-mason-professor-trains-weathercasters-to-be-climate-advocates/
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Too bad he’s still alive.. The world would be a far better place without him!
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When any twerp, including Prof Mad Maibach above, uses the term ‘climate denier’, ’tis a sure sign they’re in a cult and have left science waaaaay behind. Is he trained & funded by Slimy Klaus of zee WEF? I’m sure 2 of this infiltrater’s disciples are now NZ’s NIWA spokesbots: American so-called ‘meteorologists’ Ben Noll & Chris Brandolino, who have no understanding of our weather yet EVERYTHING is caused by you-know-what. Members of the Utter Plonkers Society who believe a hairdryer can warm up a cold bath… just believe!
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These are the sort of holier than thou ministers of the cult of climate change that are actually quite dangerous, as they are so convinced of their ‘calling’ that they need to infiltrate as many channels of public discourse as possible. Make no mistake, this is a co-ordinated and very concerted strategy by the zealots to bring the sheeple around to their completely flawed way of thinking. They are dangerous because the sheep are so easily herded as we know only too well. The fact that there are so many willing participants who have access to public broadcasting makes things just a little more difficult for those closer to the truth. However, having said all that, the wheel does appear to be finally turning, for the longer this scam continues, the more obvious the lie becomes.
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Given the trend to support renewable energy and since solar panels account for a large amount of that expected generation, can we please have the BOM report the solar insolation being received at each of their reporting stations every day along with the existing information. Clouds affect the performance of my solar panels.
As for coldest one off temperatures, I am much more concerned with the averages. Far too often I see the reported WA minimums as being higher than what I see on the back of my veranda. A bit of searching and the best correlation I can get is a station about 50 km NW of me. For the months of Oct/Nov/Dec the daily maximums are almost 5 degC below the reported long term monthly values.
And only one day in Dec exceeds the monthly average.
Brrrr….
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ozfred:
going back over 30 years I talked with a bloke living on the (then) outskirts of SW Sydney who complained that the “official” figures for Liverpool were quite different from those at his place. He had gone to some trouble to install a large alcohol thermometer on his back verandah, away from any likely radiated heat from the house. He calibrated it in a bucket of ice +water. His figures gave minimum temperatures around 5℃ lower than the BoM. He read it very early (about daybreak) when he left for work.
He claimed that his place often felt colder than his hometown in Germany. I was sceptical but didn’t argue.
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There are at least 3 local (within 5 miles of me) weather station, which often differ by 5 deg F at any given time.
Even more locally, like within my yard, some early plantings have succumbed to frost, snd others not.
I don’t trust anyone who tells me they can give an accurate average of temperature beyond a single thermometer. I laugh at those who want me to believe they can correct the values read on a thermometer by meteorologists who died before they were born.
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” which often differ by 5 deg F at any given time. “
Which is why they have to be homogenised. 😉
(to the warmest value)
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Naturally.
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None of this could be reported in the MSM, anyway. They are all falling over each other trying to cover the Harry and Meghan Netflix series. Also “crickets” on TWITTER FILES.
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Harry and who?
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Harry and Megan the Me, Me, look at Me Couple.
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Why? They already have the ‘Dirty Harry’ series and it cannot be bettered!
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You guys aren’t alone down there…
Except that in the UK they couldn’t help but notice! … the weather the BOM didn’t see coming.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11526967/Arctic-blast-brings-UK-standstill-Gatwick-Stansted-CLOSE-runways-heavy-snow.html
“…Met Office admitting there is ‘a bit more than we thought’ “
A “bit?”
LOL – And they tell us that they know what will happen 100 years from now!
They deny the past, don’t know what’s happening now, but are dead certain about the future. 🙄 Riiiight!
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I can see the perplexed look on any child looking at this snow.. wondering what the heck it is..
After-all, didn’t someone self-famous say the “children wouldn’t know what snow was” !
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And it’s colder up the top of the hill
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“Apologies to Northern Hemisphere friends in winter, we know “it’s nothing”. ”
No need to apologize, Jo. A December temperature of -7C in Australia is not “nothing” – it’s highly unusual.
On June 30, 1968, my family was moving from the coast of British Columbia to Interior BC. We stopped at the summit of the Blueberry-Paulson Pass. It was snowing, and my sister told me to remember that we were in a snowstorm in June. I have never forgotten.
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Monday, 12 Dec here in UK. It snowed last night; which isn’t common in England in early December. Is the whole world a little colder? If so, perhaps it’s due to that massive underwater volcanic eruption 11 months ago at Tonga?
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