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    Richard

    In a first for Science and more especially Zoology an Orangutan in Indonesia has been documented applying a medicinal poultice to his face which he had made to heal a gash on his cheek believed to have been cased by a rival male.

    The team then saw Rakus chewing the stem and leaves of plant called Akar Kuning – an anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial plant that is also used locally to treat malaria and diabetes.

    He repeatedly applied the liquid onto his cheek for seven minutes. Rakus then smeared the chewed leaves onto his wound until it was fully covered. He continued to feed on the plant for over 30 minutes.

    The paste and leaves then appear to have done their magic – the researchers saw no sign of infection and the wound closed within five days.

    After a month, Rakus was fully healed.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68942123

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      CO2 Lover

      Doctor Dolittle!

      Scientists have a 20-minute “conversation” with a humpback whale named Twain

      Dr. Fred Sharpe of the Alaska Whale Foundation further emphasizes the intelligence of humpback whales, highlighting their abilities to engage in complex social systems, create tools such as nets made of bubbles to catch fish, and extensively communicate through songs and social calls.

      https://www.earth.com/news/scientists-have-20-minute-conversation-with-a-humpback-whale-named-twain/

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        Mike Jonas

        It’s very smart, but I wouldn’t classify whales’ use of bubbles as tool usage. But some birds definitely use tools – eg. fire hawks.

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          Ronin

          If you classify a tool as a solid object, but the whales are using what’s available.

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        Well-Informed

        CO2 lover: And then Twain said ‘I love plankton and krill. What about you?”

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      Ronin

      Very smart and loving animal, shame about the damage being done in Sumatra and Borneo.

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        Adellad

        No, no, no! It is not real damage because it is being done by non-white, non-Christian people – hence the environment is not hurt, animals do not suffer. Critical Race Theory teaches us that.

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      pcourtney

      Mr. Richard: Here in the States, our top government medical people would shut down your post, because these home remedies will make other orangutans vaccine-hesitant (turns out Fauci has an orangutan mrna on the shelf!). Next, they’ll want to drink bleach! You must stop posting these anti-vaxx stories.
      /s/

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    TdeF

    Further to discussions yesterday, I was musing that the amount of CO2 is so close to constant from Pole to Pole, summer to winter. Air temperatures vary so much, often 80C. If CO2 is set by water temperatures, Why isn’t CO2 much higher in equatorial latitudes and much lower at the poles?

    And then I realised that water surface temperatures do not vary much at all. Try the slider from summer to winter. And CO2 does go with the seasons, more in summer and less in winter. They are the seasonal wiggles on the CO2 graph! Highest in summer and least in winter. NASA argues that they are plant growth but that would be lowest in summer and highest in winter. The labels on the NASA CO2 graph are just illogical. “CO2 is highest in the Northern Hemisphere Springtime” and pointing at mid June? No, the graph shows CO2 highest in summer, least in winter. As expected from warming and cooling, not plant growth and decay.

    Never frozen, the ocean surfaces are no cooler than -2C. For most latitudes, for most of the time 12C. And only in the very hottest and shallowest water do you get 32C let alone 37C. And the variation from summer to winter is not great either, say 6C. Not great from pole to equator either. This is vastly different to air temperature variations for humans which in temperate zones can be 80C.

    So people by the ocean are cooler in summer, warmer in winter. Vast amounts of atmospheric heat hardly touch sea surface temperatures and at depth even less as the specific heat of the oceans is 1600x that of the air. The ocean can teem with life in the deepest winter and at the poles. Just under the surface, life hardly changes.

    And the seasonal variation of CO2 from Mauna Loa in Hawaii to Mt Hutt in NZ is much more because the sea temperature variation is more. There is much more water in the Southern Hemisphere and of course far less land surface. Nothing to do with vegetation.

    This all confirms indirectly that rapid equilibrium sets CO2, not human activity.

    And explains its incredible constancy within 1% from the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern, despite the vast difference in CO2 ’emissions’ say from China to Australia.

    Cosnsider that only 2% of people live in the bottom third of the planet but the CO2 level is almost identical. And it takes a year or wo for CO2 to cross from the Northern Hemisphere to the South and v.v. It’s very obvious again that fossil fuel CO2 has no impact on atmospheric CO2. They are insignificant in this huge continuous exchange. Humans cannot change CO2 even with vast bushfires in Australia or massive fossil fuel use in China.

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      TdeF

      Or simply, CO2 reflects sea surface temperature and not human activity at all. Even bushfires, volcanoes, the massive growth of China and the massive greening of the planet sequestering trillions of tons of CO2. Nothing but sea surface temperature from pole to pole. Man made CO2 is self evidently not true.

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      Richard

      If CO2 is set by water temperatures

      We know from the ice-core data that there’s an 800 year time-lag between temperature-changes and corresponding CO2-changes, so perhaps the recent rise in atmospheric CO2 is a natural response to the Medieval Warming Period of 800 years ago. However, I ran into a brick-wall when I assumed that the CO2 increase could be coming from the oceans. I applied the Van’t Hoff temperature equation on Wikipedia’s ‘Henry’s law’ page to determine the change in CO2’s solubility due to changes in temperature and found that a 1C temperature change (the assumed warming of the oceans since 1750) would only increase the CO2 concentration by 19ppmv. I found that that 19ppmv was supported by Takahashi et al (2002) who calculates an increase of 16ppmv from a 1C warming of the ocean. So, I am left with the impression that the solubiluty decrease due to the temperature rise can’t explain the CO2 rise by itself. That said, there might be another factor related to temperature that might explain the rise. According to Jaworowski et al (1992) if all marine biology were removed from the ocean this would increase ᴘCO2 by 500%. So, small decrases in ocean biological activity might explain the rise. Various studies show there’s been an estimated 40% decrease in phytoplankton over the last 50 years, so that’s one possibility.

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        TdeF

        The kinematic explanation of Henry’s Law applies, not the laboratory derived tables. They are for a still state beaker of limited depth and constant pressure. The huge difference is wind, then waves, then droplets which dramatically amplify the effects. You see it in a river bend where the water stops moving, no waves, no wind and stagnant water with no oxygen. The ocean is pounding waves, high winds, no protection and waves forming droplets of vastly increased surface area. No one has tables for that.

        However temperature means higher speed and that means faster transfer. The papers I have seen indicate that the transfer goes as the 4th power of the wind speed. We know how fast the exchange can be with every breath we take. In a single breath CO2 goes from 0.042% to 4-14%. In the other direction oxygen goes from 21% to 14%. We have evolved with 200m2 of lung surface area and tiny tubes to maximize speed. And if you want faster transfer, just breathe faster.

        Temperature also has a effect on the transfer balance and also air density. Henry’s Law works, but it needs different tables. The laboratory tables are unlikely to give the right answers.

        The decrease in phytoplankton is bad news, very puzzling and incredibly worrying unless it is very localized. Like the missing kelp story yesterday. Phytoplankton are the primary food source for the entire ocean, the plant/animal source of all energy with photosynthesis. Life in the ocean either eats phytoplankton or each other. Most are carnivores. And krill are the next step up. Even whales have evolved to eat krill. It is estimated that phytoplankton generate half the world’s oxygen. We can lose kelp. It comes back as a primary food source. But we cannot lose phytoplankton. However with a life span measured in days not years, it can bloom and does.

        Plus we have lost all the polar bears, all the caribou and all the penguins and yesterday all the giant Kelp of Tasmania and all the great barrier reef. These all proved to be wrong. But you get world attention claiming Armageddon from a small sample or specific area.

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          farmerbraun

          If you look back at NIWA’s experiment with adding iron to the Southern Ocean, you will see that removal of this limiting factor results in a massive increase in phytoplankton, and everything that follows.
          The mistake was to spread the iron from a ship which was moving too slowly to disperse the iron widely; so they overdid it.
          I imagine a B-52 would be the way to go; possibly a ship -launched topdressing plane would be better economics.
          But what is really needed is some serious erosion ; the next glaciation should fix it.
          In the meantime the fisheries in the waters around NZ benefit from our high rate of uplift and consequent erosion in an irreducibly pluvial environment.

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              TdeF

              So iron is a fertilizer. Great. The basic food is CO2. To all growth there has to be a limit! All things grow to the limit of available food and the efficiency of the process, which is increased by fertilizer.

              But there is a drive to call CO2 a fertilizer which it is not.

              And the point of this adding iron to the ocean is to grow phytoplankton and capture CO2 which will reduce CO2. Which again is based on the universal view that CO2 is a bucket which needs to be emptied, not a rapidly maintained equilibrium with the vast amount of CO2 below.

              However there is also the implicit idea that the oceans are stuffed with CO2 and cannot handle any more. Given the sheer size and weight of the 350 atmospheres of water, I doubt it. It would be a hell of a coincidence for this limit to coincide with the invention of petrol.

              I suppose we will soon be asked for funds to seed the entire ocean with fertilizer to capture CO2.

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                TdeF

                Australia has had enough interventionist ecological failures to warrant caution with these hare brained schemes. Rabbits, foxes, prickly pear, cane toads, myxamatosis, calicivirus and autonomous swimming robots with cyanide to kill starfish. To that you can now add thousands of very short life giant windmills and millions of solar panels. Todays cunning plan eco solution always becomes tomorrow’s eco disaster.

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                farmerbraun

                I think that in fact the intention was to produce a bloom of phytoplankton in order to feed the krill , and ultimately the whales.
                But for sure the funding application would have had to invoke CO2 and Climate Change TM.

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                yarpos

                Lets not forget deer, that was another great idea. Especially for the car repair industry.

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            John in NZ

            Where I live there is a lot of reduced iron in the soil which ends up in the water. It gets into the stream and oxidises so becomes rust. It then flows down the stream to the Waikato river and is carried down to the sea. When it is seen in the stream it is said to be pollution. When it gets to the sea it is said to be iron fertilisation.

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          Richard

          I would lean towards changes in biological activity in the oceans being a possible cause for the CO2 increase.

          https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1029/JZ068i013p03871

          Erik Eriksson (1963) states (link above):

          “The general conclusion from this study is that neither temperature nor volume changes of the sea can have been large enough to cause any appreciable change in the atmospheric CO2 concentration, at least not of any climatic importance. It is, however, pointed out that there is a considerable excess of CO2 in the ocean, owing to a combination of biological and gravitational processes, which, if released, would increase the atmospheric concentration by a factor of 5”. This is echoed by Jaworowski et al (1992) who states: “If these biologic activities were removed, the partial pressure of CO2 would be increased by a factor of 5”.

          We know there are studies that imply phytoplankton have decreased by 40% since 1950 which make up 80%-90% of all biological life in the ocean. With a simple calculation, it can be estimated that a 40% decrease in phytoplankton would increase the atmospheric CO2 concentration by 600ppmv (most of which would probably not stay in the atmosphere). That alone explains the entire CO2 increase of 140ppmv since 1850.

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        Ronin

        I read somewhere that the windblown dust from the Sahara contains enough iron to assist phytoplankton in the Atlantic to produce heaps of oxygen while taking in CO2.

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      RickWill

      And then I realised that water surface temperatures do not vary much at all.

      The annual temperature range of the oceans is significant. NH oceans range over 15C on an area average basis and SH oceans 5C.
      https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/image-94.png?ssl=1

      The annual range of the combined oceans is about 2.5C. This change shifts the cO2 about 2.5ppm. So about 1C/ppm over an annual cycle.

      It does appear the equilibrium is quite fast because the CO2 varies substantially more in the high latitudes of thee NH than anywhere in the SH. That can be observed in figure 1 at this link:
      https://scienceofclimatechange.org/wp-content/uploads/Massen-et-al.-2007-CO2-and-latitude.pdf

      So there is a swing of about 15ppm in the high northern latitudes and around 2ppm in the south latitudes. All this ties in with the 1C/ppm and fast equilibrium.

      Over the last 100 years the CO2 has increased from around 300 to 420ppm. Taking the 1C/ppm response suggest the ocean temperature should have increased 120C. I can assure you it hasn’t. Average is up 0.5C since 1980.

      There is no way that an average increase in ocean surface temperature of 0.5C is going to add 120ppm to the atmosphere.

      During the Quarternary period, of glacial/interglacial cycles the temperature has been 4C higher than present time. Greenland lost most of its ice 4 cycles back. CO2 from ice cores indicates that the CO2 level never exceeded 300ppm even with temperature considerably higher than present.

      Humans have demonstrated that if we burn enough fossil fuels, we can keep CO2 above survival level, which is a very good thing for the coming glaciation, which started 500 years ago and will be clearly evident by 2200. Thank you China.
      https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/image-109.png?resize=720%2C361&ssl=1

      This is a good visualisation of how CO2 in the atmosphere changes over an annual cycle:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1SgmFa0r04

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        TdeF

        “Taking the 1C/ppm response suggest the ocean temperature should have increased 120C.”

        Of course this is ridiculous. I agree, but you are proposing absolute linearity ad infinitum. A mechanical system. A controlled laboratory application. This is not.

        But the annual oscillations are much bigger than the steady baseline increase. It takes about seven years for the base to climb more than a single oscillation. There may be hysterisis. And it’s in the same direction.

        Consider the annual swing may move the equilibrium point very slightly and stick a little. Why, I don’t know. A change in the chemistry in the ocean? A change in distribution in what is a very deep system. More liquid CO2 which becomes gas and 5% of it stays gas, increasing CO2 in the top of the ocean?

        The oscillation annually is 15ppm in 420ppm or 3.5% growth in CO2 per year. The steady linear growth in atmospheric CO2 is a tiny 0.2% per year a tiny fraction of this big swing or about 0.8ppm.

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          TdeF

          And given that there is 50x as much CO2 in the ocean as in the air, a very slight variation in the ocean would be magnified dramatically in the air. The reason for the annual variation is explained by the mechanics behind Henry’s law. The reason for the tiny hysterisis is not, but there are any number of candidates. The idea that it should stay perfectly constant for all time is the outlier.

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          RickWill

          The steady linear growth in atmospheric CO2 is a tiny 0.2% per year a tiny fraction of this big swing or about 0.8ppm.

          Atmospheric CO2 is increasing more than 2ppm/year. That is more than twice your 0.8ppm figure.

          Back in 2000 CO2 was 370ppm. It is now 425ppm. Since the deployment of the Argo buoys in 2005, they have measured an average increase in ocean temperature to 2000m of 0.092C. You will be working very hard to convince me that 0.092C is responsible for something like 16% increase in CO2. That is as silly as suggesting that CO2 somehow controls Rath’s energy balance.

          Oceans have been warmer by at least 3C from the present era but it has been 300Ma since CO2 was above trace amounts. There is evidence of trees in Antarctica as recent as 16Ma before Drakes Passage opened and the Southern Ocean effectively cut off Antarctica from other land.

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            TdeF

            Sure that was a quick figure based on .028% to 0.042% in 250 years. The growth in the balance/equilibrium point is then 2ppm.
            And the figure you used was the maximum response to warming, not the minimum. I see the annual seasonal changes peaking in mid summer and lowest in mid winter as having no other explanation than seasonal temperatures and Henry’s Law. And it is reversed in the Southern hemisphere. But the scale of North and South, the variations from Atlantic to Pacific and more would be interesting for speculation.

            The move in the average is much slower and smaller than the annual seasonal variation but increasing with increasing average temperature and likely related. Everything fits. Modelling of all the variables across all the oceans may give a better answer but we only have a few locations with good data.

            Overall I would be very surprised if CO2 did NOT go up with increasing world temperature which is moving at the same snail’s pace. I feel that no one has explained the seasonal variations and a bit of modelling with phytoplankton consumption could be conclusive.

            The idea that the increase is entirely man made (non radioactive) CO2 is absolute rubbish. So when you consider why we are discussing this, there are likely many ways in which CO2 could increase. It is not increasing at all which is untenable especially given the increase in temperature.

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      Mike Jonas

      “NASA argues that they are plant growth but that would be lowest in summer and highest in winter”. Funny that. It’s something that made sense so I never checked. Mauna Loa CO2 is highest in May-June. Plants would realease CO2 most in NH autumn (fall) and absorb most in NH spring. The only way that NASA can be right, it seems, is if there’s a time delay – possible but maybe rather unlikely. Worth checking, though. I’ve had a quick look at the NASA website and can’t see it.

      Incidentally, the 800-year lag in the ice core record would presumably relate to deep transport of CO2-rich water, so you wouldn’t find anything helpful looking at CO2 balance at the ocean surface, you would need to look at the upwellings (mainly in the Southern Ocean?).

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        TdeF

        Yes, higher in summer and lower in winter. But the curve kinks in between. I have a theory that unlike trees on an annual cycle, phyto plankton with a lifespan of days can bloom in summer on the extra CO2, overshoot the supply and die off. When you add this to a sine curve of temperature driven CO2 it works well and gets the peaks and shape right. What NASA proposes shows a complete lack of thought with the peak CO2 in summer, which is the reverse of what you would expect from deciduous trees. In a way it proves terrestial vegetation cannot explain the curve.

        And the NASA curve and explanation is here. under CO2 THROUGH THE SEASONS.

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          Mike Jonas

          I read the NASA explanation. It’s credible, but the annual cycle looks too late. You would think that the dip should start with the start of plant growth in Spring, not as late as the start of summer, eg. But adding in the SH cycle and allowing for some delays could be the answer. I don’t think you can write it off without some detailed work. It would be nice to find out what plankton do annually too.

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          TdeF

          Yes, good point. Currents carry many things. Nutrients, gases including CO2, heat. And they maintain a lot of integrity for a great distance, as with the Gulf Stream.

          It is possible that the current heating reflects the rising of specific currents of heat rich and CO2 rich water, which would explain the increased CO2 in the water and in the air. The reverse idea that extra fossil fuel CO2 in the air is the common story, ‘acidification’ they call it deceitfully when no oceans are acid. But the far simpler explanation is that increased water CO2 increases aerial CO2, especially with increased water temperature.

          I prefer simple explanations to contorted justifications.

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            el+gordo

            ‘I prefer simple explanations …’

            Yeah, its the only way to convince the people.

            This is hot off the press.

            https://notrickszone.com/2024/05/02/water-vapor-absorbs-84-times-more-radiation-than-co2-clouds-drove-89-of-1982-2018-warming/

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              TdeF

              People are amazingly unaware of water vapour. They are familiar with clouds which are liquid water but not water vapour which is invisible.

              Water Vapour is generally between 1% and 4% of the air, the third biggest gas.

              There are some deserts in the Middle East where it is 0% and that is scary, but places like Australia it is generally 1%. And across the oceans which cover 72% of the planet. So 4% to 0.042% is 100:1. The other aspect is that it has a much wider absorption band so I am not surprised at the 82x figure on average.

              The weather bureau usually give the humidity as a % of what would be required for the vapour to turn into water, which confuses people. The Dew Point is the temperature at which the vapour would turn to water. The difference measures evaporation by sweating and directly related to how comfortable you feel against hot and stick.

              CO2 has been estimated to have a greenhouse effect which is far less than 1% of the total of all Greenhouse gases. But it is part of the scare to pretend it is the only significant Greenhouse gas! Which is deceit by omission.

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                David of Cooyal in Oz

                Evening TdeF,
                This is related, and may be of interest.
                It’s an admission, incomplete, but an admission anyway:

                ” “And almost all of that uncertainty in climate models has to do with our ability — or our lack of ability — to represent clouds very, very well.” ”

                https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-05/tas-kennaook-cape-grim-pollution-monitor-station-cloud-project/103793926

                But a question: there’s an assertion that some nucleus – dust is nominated – is needed for ice to form in clouds. Is this correct? I suspect not, as condensation occurs when a rising airmass reaches dew point, and I think that means the resulting condensate could provide that nucleus. Could I be right?

                Cheers,
                Dave B

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    Hanrahan

    A few questions for our American friends:

    1/ Has a yellow ribbon always been a symbol of freedom or just since Tony Orlando and Dawn?

    2/ Does Graceland have any historical significance beyond Elvis? It sounds like a Civil War battleground.

    3/ Has bacon always been a symbol of the patriarchy and white supremacy or only since woke started ruining our lives?

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      Honk R Smith

      I’ll give a go.

      1/ I don’t know a yellow ribbon as a symbol of ‘freedom’ so much. As far as I remember, the song is the first time I heard about the ‘yellow ribbon’ thing, and only as a welcome home for a soldier returning from Viet Nam, as my understanding is the theme of the song.

      2/ No … I know of no ‘Graceland’ battle during the War of Yankee Aggression.
      As a Southern, failed, dissipating boomer Rock n’ Roller, this song represents what Graceland means.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgRafRp-P-o

      3/ I also don’t of know of bacon as a symbol of ‘white supremacy’.
      Ever since Viet Nam era, ‘the Pigs’ has been slang for police.

      The political power of symbols is interesting.
      And a confused mess like the tragic case of the ‘Rainbow’.

      The Yellow Ribbon gets used in a lot of different context.
      The alleged evil Confederate flag banned today, was not the flag of the Confederacy.
      This is.
      https://encyclopediavirginia.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/10376_13d85e88969e464-scaled.jpg

      Symbols of the past, often would not have the power in context of their time, that modern people give to them.

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        Honk R Smith

        One other thought on symbols …
        in my residing Democrat one party control location, displaying an American flag would promote the suspicion that one is ‘right wing’ and a MAGA supporter.
        Flying a rainbow flag is more socially acceptable, apparently even to the FBI.
        An Israeli flag might get you a gift rock through your window.

        Makes me wonder, if we have another Civil War, the Federals might fight under the Rainbow.
        The Insurrectionists might march with the Stars and Stripes this time.

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          TdeF

          At least when you go to war it will be reassuring to know the transvestites, unemployed, disabled, addicts, lawyers, judges and public servants will be on the other side. Your side will be better funded with the hard working, the miners, the truckers, the police, the shooters, the armed forces (less a few top brass), the over taxed and the straight talkers who are actually fighting for freedom from oppression and for jobs and personal beliefs including Christianity and free speech. And the Cross of St. George on your flag.

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        farmerbraun

        I knew about the Stars and Bars, possibly from reading the entire works of O.Henry, who liked to get things right.
        And any song with Beale Street in the lyrics evokes my musical mentors – ‘Fess Longhair , Dr John , and Alan Toussaint.
        Incidentally that piano triad that intros “Walking in Memphis” is a real beech to get right , is a real beech to get aligned correctly for the vocalist , being so syncopated. .

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        CO2 Lover

        Ever since Viet Nam era, ‘the Pigs’ has been slang for police.

        Some history

        The practice of referring to police as “pigs” had its original in England in the early 19th century, before which it had been in more general use as a term for a person who was widely disliked

        https://bostonraremaps.com/inventory/earliest-image-police-as-pigs/#:~:text=The%20practice%20of%20referring%20to,person%20who%20was%20widely%20disliked.

        The Oxford English Dictionay cites an 1811 reference to a “pig” as a Bow Street Runner–the early police force, named after the location of their headquarters, before Sir Robert Peel and the Metropolitan Police Force. Before that, the term “pig” had been used as early as the mid-1500s to refer to a person who is heartily disliked.

        Police are also referred to as “the filth” by English criminals.

        The man who started Scotland Yard was Robert Peel and those who worked as law enforcement officers were called peelers, As was the custom those who worked for a executive where often called by the name of that executive as the head of the Yard first name was Robert, and the nickname of Robert is Bob, the patrolman ( literally meaning to walk through puddles ) were called bobbies. Sir Robert Peel designed a Uniform with blue cloth and had Large button made of Copper so the officers were nicknamed Coppers which was often shortened to Cop.

        Similarly, detectives in New York often wore soft-sole shoes to minimize the sound of footsteps when approaching their prey. Hence the name Gumshoe for the gum rubber soles. Officers wearing cheap shoes with little arch support for long hours on concrete got the nickname “flatfoot” for good reason as well.

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      David Maddison

      1) English Puritans such as Oliver Cromwell’s Puritan Army wore yellow ribbons and sashes onto the battlefield during the English Civil War and probably brought the idea to America.

      2) No apparent Civil War significance.

      3) Leftists can see significance in anything, usually when it doesn’t exist. It’s what postmodernism* does to their “thinking”. They see bacon as a popular and delicious food for many and since the Left is out to destroy everything in our Civilisation that is good, enjoyable, nice, labour saving or decent, they target that product and falsely accuse it of bad things, just how they target plastic bags or cars etc..

      *Postmodernism is the underlying philosophy of the modern Left, it is anti-Enlightenment and believes that there is no such thing as objective reality. It is whatever you think it is. That’s why Leftists always use the expression “my truth” not “the truth”. See more details at https://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy

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      yarpos

      and how can cheese possibly come from a aerosol can? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easy_Cheese

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        Annie

        Oh yuk! I thought spray cream was disgusting enough when one of my old aunts used it! Cheesy, don’t ya know?!

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      Aloha!
      1-Half of us don’t know who Tony Orlando is and about 80% of us don’t know Dawn and 90% of us don’t care to know! Yellow ribbons are for pressies!
      2-70% of Americans know the words to Elvis songs more than the Gettysburg Address. The other 30% either never heard of the Civil War or can’t be “civil”.
      3-Bacon is always a symbol of a pig. Half US citizens that are female always depend on the patriarchy to fix a flat tyre or repair a toilet or build a house or a road or a bridge. All the stuff that requires dirty hands and sweat and long hours of back breaking work outside. Being white is only good for paying most of the taxes and inventing most things needed for human survival on the planet and things of the internet. When it comes to politics being white is an impairment just ask Barack Obama’s white half! Supremacy is usually a word coming out of a person who is white and guilt ridden and stupid and votes (D) and believes antifa is fighting facism and that democrats never had anything to do with slavery or the KKK. All while they talk on iPhones made from slaves of India and China with third tier inputs from child labor in Africa. Not knowing iPhones are the new cotton! Hey, Tim Cook 2024 Apple meet the East India Company from the 17th century!

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      Hanrahan

      Thanks for the replies Guys, they have been fun. Been doing other things today so no opportunity to reply earlier.

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    David Maddison

    Notice we haven’t finished (and barely started) with the “transition” to EVs and now we are already starting with the next scam “green hydrogen”.

    Does no one realise that Japan has, in all but name only, abandoned its proposed transition to hydrogen. It’s just not practical.

    Of course, Australia loves to follow the failed and impractical examples of others because most politicians are functionally scientifically and engineeringly illiterate and innumerate and incompetent and morally or financially corrupt in everything they do.

    https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/hydrogen/a-half-decade-after-its-first-plan-japans-hydrogen-goals-remain-distant/

    Back in 2017, Japan became the first country in the world to release a national hydrogen strategy. The goal was to take the lead on a low-carbon fuel with high potential, with companies like Toyota pushing hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles as an effective alternative to battery electric vehicles.

    Alongside this came Y40–70bn ($305–534m) per year in government subsidies and support for building out a hydrogen infrastructure. However, today, nearly six years later, Japan has little to show for its initial push. There is no sign that hydrogen can help decarbonise the power and transport sectors as initially envisioned.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

    Note that the Japanese subsidy harvesters are “only” getting US$305–534m per year whereas in Australia they rake up billions.

    In Australia “green” EVs, “green” energy and “green” hydrogen is designed to break us.

    Donald Horne in 1964 had it right:

    Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people’s ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.

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      Ronin

      Australia is ‘lucky’ because it is blessed with natural attributes, pity it is ‘managed’ by complete idiots.

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        David Maddison

        Indeed, Ronin. Lucky for that reason alone.

        I haven’t heard any thinking person refer to Australia as “the luck country” for years, probably decades.

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      CO2 Lover

      Shell has closed its hydrogen refueling stations in California. The company said its aim was to focus “on value over volume, and prioritizing capital investment in areas where we have distinct competitive advantages.” Shell will continue to support hydrogen for heavy-duty trucks.15 Feb 2024

      The news follows last year’s notice that Shell had discontinued the build out of its light-duty hydrogen station network in California in 2023.

      According to the Department of Energy’s Hydrogen Fueling Station Locations map, apart from one fueling point in Hawaii, California is the only state with publicly available hydrogen for passenger cars. And not all those are working.

      https://www.autoweek.com/news/a46791348/shell-closes-hydrogen-stations-california/

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        David Maddison

        So…a failed idea.

        All the more reason for Australia to adopt it…

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          Philip

          Surely Albo’s solar panel production plan is a classic example. The industry is saturated and dying in europe, and yet, in we go! Government subsidized inefficiency 101. I can’t think of a worse example of government thinking. Maybe Snowy 2.

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            CO2 Lover

            government thinking.

            Now that’s an oxymoron!

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            Chad

            I can’t think of a worse example of government thinking. Maybe Snowy 2.…..

            Nah ! …worse examples…
            1) Nuclear power moretorium
            2) shutting down Coal generation
            3) banning oil and gas exploration
            4) subsidising Solar and Wind buildout
            5) the entire Covid policy.
            Etc etc

            Snowy 2 may actually be useful, even without Solar or Wind.
            Pumped Hydro works well with both Coal and Nuclear generation to maximise efficiency.

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            Yarpos

            They do seem to have a habit of leaping on crashing bandwagons. A symptom of no personal thought or research and a reliance on idealogue advisors.

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      yarpos

      So may transitions, so little reality

      “The transition to renewable energy” this is demonstrably not happening and wont happen with the current technology set
      “The transition to EVs” this is demonstrably not happening and really is quite laughable. Many things at the technology level and the the societal level make this a nonsense in the short, medium term.
      “The transition to Hydrogen” yeah right, maybe just start by showing us a working end to end system that is safe and can be scaled.

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    David Maddison

    Remember, Net Zero is just the Left’s rebranding of Pol Pot’s Year Zero and for much the same reasons.

    ….Pol Pot wished to create a state focused on their rural idyll, with all citizens pledging loyalty in a way which prohibited all personal, community or religious allegiances.

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      Bruce

      With much the same “results”, but with a higher body count as demanded by population “right-sizing”.

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        yarpos

        ahhh “right sizing” those are some management weasel words I havent heard since the early 00’s

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      TdeF

      Pol Pot’s ideas, like Post Modernism were formulated by the French. Pol Pot attended at the Sorbonne and put their crazy ideas about city dwellers and the educated classes into action when he grabbed power, killing more of his own people by % than any other mass murderer.

      The extreme French Marxists who reworked Marxism after the war have remained the problem and DEI, ESG, BLM, MeTOO are all forms of picking different groups like women, blacks, gays etc. as victims of oppression, not the workers. And in his case, city dwellers, straights, TERFs, conservatives as the oppressors. It’s just cultural and opportunistic Marxism. And the solution as always is to slaughter the oppressors, usually described as NAZIs. Which is pure irony and utter contradiction.

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    David Maddison

    I will translate a meme I saw into words.

    There are three children sitting outside the school principal’s office.

    Talking to each other to explain why they are there, the first one says “I said the c word.”. The second says “I said the f word”. The third says “I said only males have penises.”.

    Of course, in today’s Australia, children would not be punished for obscene language, only the third offence is believable.

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    David Maddison

    Dark days ahead for the UK, Sadiq Khan has won a third term as Islamist* mayor of Londonistan.

    A UK caliphate looks so much closer.

    * an advocate or supporter of Islamic fundamentalism; a person who advocates increasing the influence of Islamic law in politics and society. “radical Islamists”

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      CO2 Lover

      Tory MP Enoch Powell’s inflammatory rhetoric {Rivers of Blood} sees him axed from Cabinet in 1968, for but his words – decried by politicians as thinly veiled racism – resonate with ordinary Britons.

      Powell got it right.

      The useless Tories refused to implement Australia’s solution to illegal immigration – but then the Communist Albanese Goverment has just replace “the boats” with jets and changed the name from “illegal” to “legal” in order to bring in more Labor voters as part of its white replacement policy.

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        Philip

        The Libs are just as bad with airport arrivals and are only a little less anti white as Labor. Labor is actively anti white, Libs are by default but don’t obsess over it.

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          TdeF

          And Biden is deliberately stacking swing states with grateful migrants, now from Gaza. That is not going to end well for anyone.

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            Gerry

            There a slow moving mudslide of benefits arriving for the illegal immigrants. Credit, healthcare, free housing, drivers licences …….and then, allowing voting in Federal elections with a drivers licence….. the slow drip is to soften up the conservatives

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      Annie

      The people most affected by his policies, such as ULEZ, are those who live outside London but who work there or need medical care there. They aren’t in a position to vote him out.

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    another ian

    Developments on Saturday thread item # 45 on covid injury coverage in the YSM

    “THE DAM BREAKS ☙ Saturday, May 4, 2024 ☙ C&C NEWS

    Astonishing NYT article breaks open the jab denial dam;
    I’m suing the federal government; half the Senate opposes WHO amendments; Lancet study fails to infect; new city offers hope; and lots more.”

    (My bold)

    https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/the-dam-breaks-saturday-may-4-2024?r=1vxw0k&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    And others of those items (IMO)

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      another ian

      FWIW – more on the covid jabs

      “New Study Suggests Risk of Getting COVID Rises with Each Shot”

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/new-study-suggests-risk-getting-covid-rises-each/

      “Dr. Robert Malone, a vaccine researcher who was not involved in the paper, told The Epoch Times that the paper “served as ‘another acknowledgment that the products are not effective or are at very low effectiveness and are contributing to negative effectiveness [down the line].’ ”

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      KP

      Also in that Coffee & Covid-

      A part of Baton Rouge has finally broken away to form their own city, having been blocked at every turn by the Left.

      “This seems like the way, a real solution to a seemingly intractable problem. How can we fix the failing big blue cities? We need to break them up. Make them into lots of smaller cities. Wouldn’t that be more democracy? And isn’t more democracy a good thing? After all, isn’t protecting democracy the current thing, now that Ukraine has slipped off the radar into the battle trench?”

      Sounds great, I want the State border up the Blue Mountains to keep the Sydneysiders out of the real country!

      ..and a review of the Lancet article where researchers tried to give people covid directly and failed completely!

      “The so-called “challenge study” extended over several years, recruiting healthy volunteers who were quarantined and then intentionally exposed to covid. Some volunteers were vaccinated and some were not. The researchers tried to give them covid several times, right up the nose, but kept failing, so they kept increasing the dosage…. Even more vexing, about 40% of the study volunteers went on to catch covid later, out in the world… this study shows the enduring value of natural immunity, which the CDC’s experts pooh-poohed and called a conspiracy theory.”

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        yarpos

        what are you north/south boundaries to stop them oozing out KP? the Hawkesbury and Shoalhaven rivers perhaps?

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    David Maddison

    Yesterday I mentioned the Left’s war against the anaesthetic agent Desflurane and are trying to ban it or have actually already done so.

    To save the planet (supposedly).

    Comments?

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      Ronin

      Any leftists having an op soon, let’s let them experience the lack of Desflurane first.

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      CO2 Lover

      Last year, New Zealand — which has pledged to reach net-zero carbon dioxide emissions by 2050 — proposed a first-in-the-world tax on cow emissions. The levy will depend on factors including the number of animals kept, the size of the farm, the type of fertilizer used and steps farmers take to reduce their emissions. It’s expected to reduce the amount of methane New Zealand’s livestock release into the atmosphere by as much as 47 percent by 2050.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/interactive/2023/new-zealand-cows-burps-methane-tax/

      I amd sure the same must apply to horses, but since the previous Kiwiland PM was one – they got an exemption!

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        David Maddison

        A war against meat which is why the Left are pushing insects for non-Elites.

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          Clem Cadiddlehopper

          Imagine the huge effect that banning meat(cattle) or making it too expensive for people to buy would have on our native fauna. I could imagine that people would start harvesting cheap wallaby meat in a really big way.

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            yarpos

            Deer aplenty in our region. But seriously few modern day people are equipped and able to do any animal harvesting. I guess existing businesses may boom and then get slapped down by leftist govt dogma.

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    David Maddison

    Despite vast amounts of evidence concerning the ineffectiveness and dangers of the covid-19 “vaccine” and current court cases, the Australian Government is still pushing it.

    Unbelievable- or sadly, not unbelievable.

    Leftists – make sure to get your 17th booster.

    https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/booster-doses

    75 years and older
    Recommended every 6 months.

    65-74 years
    Recommended at least every 12 months, but can receive every six months. Talk to your healthcare provider about the risks and benefits..

    18-64 years
    With severe immunocompromise: Recommended at least every 12 months, but can receive every six months. Talk to your healthcare provider about the risks and benefits.

    Without severe immunocompromise: Can receive every 12 months.

    5-17 years
    With severe immunocompromise: Can receive every 12 months.

    Without severe immunocompromise: Not recommended.

    Under 5 years
    Not recommended.

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      Bruce

      The Untidy Notions is bent on culling the global herd of “wrinklies”.

      Why?

      Because that demographic holds the bulk of the planets “memories” and practical understanding of reality. It takes time for all that knowledge to be passed, first-hand”, to the GRANDCHILDREN; which is the way it has LONG worked. The “knowledge succession plan”, if you will.

      Cut that link by exterminating the traditional knowledge holders and the “gap” will be filled with the evil dreams of utter sociopaths.

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      Simon thompson

      Actually, the detail is in the wording;
      Recommended=We think it is justified
      Can receive=we are pandering to neurotics hypochondriacs that want to be made ill

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      CO2 Lover

      After ScumMo signed the secret deal with Pfizer his corrupt goverment published ads showing a pregnant woman and imporing other pregnant women to get the jab.

      Utterly indefensible when these phoney “vaccines” were classified as EXPERIMENTAL.

      When previous attempts to make safe and effective vaccines for coronaviruses had involved animal trials where all the animals died – animal testing was just omitted before releasing the phoney COVID “vaccines”.

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      KP

      I expect that is all in the secret contracts the Govt signed with the manufacturers, and they will have to promote it until the contract expires.

      What happened to the TPPP that Aussie was rushing to sign up to, that had a company able to sue a Govt in an overseas tribunal if they were unhappy with the way that Govt treated them? I expect its cheaper to buy a couple of politicians than sue them.

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    David Maddison

    As of my post yesterday, don’t forget today’s Lake Goldsmith Steam Rally.

    https://www.lakegoldsmithsteamrally.org.au/

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      CO2 Lover

      I have the book “Mallard – How the A4 Pacific “Blue Streak” Broke the World Speed Record” by Don Hale. This ocurred in 1938 with a top spped of 126 mph.

      LNER Class A3 No. 4472 “Flying Scotsman” is a 4-6-2 “Pacific” steam locomotive built in 1923 for the London and North Eastern Railway (LNER) at Doncaster Works to a design of Nigel Gresley.

      It set two world records for steam traction, becoming the first locomotive to reach the officially authenticated speed of 100 miles per hour (161 km/h) on 30 November 1934,] and setting the longest non-stop run of a steam locomotive of 422 miles (679 km) on 8 August 1989 while on tour in Australia. I saw the Flying Scotsman while on tour here.

      A grandmother’s house was opposite a vacant lot that abutted the Sydney-Newcastle rail line and I was enthralled to be able to watch the steam trains go by in the 1960s.

      The Newcastle Flyer was the last express train in Australia to be worked by steam locomotives. This came to an end on 29 December 1970 when 3820 hauled the final steam powered service.

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        CO2 Lover

        Yesterday I made mention of how the US Transcontinental railway took only 6 years to complete using hand labour and no tunnel boring machimes like the infamous “Florence”

        Big Boy No. 4014 was delivered to Union Pacific in December 1941. The locomotive was retired in December 1961, having traveled 1,031,205 miles in its 20 years in service. Union Pacific reacquired No. 4014 from the RailGiants Museum in Pomona, California, in 2013, and relocated it back to Cheyenne to begin a multi-year restoration process. It returned to service in May 2019 to celebrate the 150th Anniversary of the Transcontinental Railroad’s Completion.

        https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/4014/index.htm

        We still have some steam trains operating in Victoriastan – surprising that they have not been banned!

        https://www.thebluestrain.com.au/

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      RickWill

      Let me know if you see Peter Lusted there with his scaled ride-on traction engine.

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    David Maddison

    Dr John Campbell interviews Prof. Sherif Sultan about increased risk of atherosclerosis due to covid-19 “vaccination”.

    https://youtu.be/YUJr-APP9sk

    Leftists – don’t forget to go out and get your 17th booster!

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      yarpos

      I am a member of a car club with many old (over 60) members. It’s bizarre how many of them gleefully seek out and queue up for their umpteenth injection. They really do believe its “keeping them safe” and the mystery inflammatory blow ups, heart issues and re-emerging cancers are all just old age.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Public opinion is beginning to shift. Maybe it’s the blackouts.”

    “You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality”

    https://watt-logic.com/2024/04/27/watt-logic-8/

    Via

    https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2024/05/04/y2kyoto-state-of-anorexia-envirosa-29/

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      another ian

      News for “ElBowen”?

      “Europe Scraps Net Zero, Biden Should But Won’t, Why?”

      “You know you’ve stumbled through the looking glass when European politicians start sounding saner on climate policy than the Americans do. Well here we are, Alice: Europeans are admitting the folly of net zero quicker than their American peers.”

      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/europe-scraps-net-zero-biden-should-wont-why

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        CO2 Lover

        “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
        ― Abraham Lincoln

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    David Maddison

    Sunday morning waking up music.

    “Get Back”, The Beatles.

    https://youtu.be/IKJqecxswCA

    Great tune, although the underlying original politically correct message is debatable with today’s open border policies in many Western countries.

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      CO2 Lover

      A better historical version – one of my favourite Beatles tunes

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8Aw0IGM1I

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      When I started my large vinyl collection in the late 60s, some of the earliest albums I got hold of were from The Beatles, all their albums after Rubber Soul. (when the band stopped touring, mainly because the music was now becoming so complex, the band could not reproduce it during a live concert)

      I was so used to the radio releases of their songs that I got a slight shock when I was first listening to Let It Be. Like all afficionados I waited with bated breath for the album release in 1970.

      The single of the same name as the album was played almost constantly on radio, taking three weeks to reach Number One and then staying there for six weeks.

      So I was so used to hearing that song, played at least once an hour on pop radio stations. However, when I heard the album version, it made me ‘start’. I knew a little of the album history, that it was recorded before (but released after) Abbey Road, and there were some technical difficulties, but the ‘guts’ of all that didn’t come out till much later.

      The Single release version of Let It Be, had an orchestrated section in the middle, done by George Martin and Paul McCartney, and that orchestration included the organ playing of Billy Preston, and also some backing vocals from Linda Eastman, her only contribution to a Beatles song.

      The album version of that song Let It Be was slightly longer than the Single. It was ‘remixed’ by Phil Spector who wanted the George Harrison driving lead guitar break with a bit more sting in that same place where Martin and McCartney had the orchestrated ‘break’.

      I always wondered why that guitar version was never released as the ‘preferred’ Single, as in my opinion, it was so much better.

      Judge for yourself. The Guitar solo version starts at the 1.54/5 mark of the following clip.

      Let It Be Album Version

      Tony.

      Incidentally, for all you afficionados of 60s and 70s music, there is a wonderful resource at the following link. This is the list of the Go Set music magazines album and Singles charts and othr things from that time, nine years of weekly charts. Go Set Magazine Charts

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        Not too long after this Beatles album was released, I learned a little about why album releases were later here than in the UK, where nearly all the good music was coming from in those days, and that related specifically to one album, and again, my head turned when I heard the album version of the song ….. Lola from The Kinks.

        Now, you might think that this song was banned because of the obvious reason, (even in 1970, Transgender was being talked about eh!) but the BBC banned it for another reason altogether. Ray Davies had to do a full round trip from New York (where the band was touring at the time) back to the UK to ‘remix’ the lyrics.

        Even though very subtly (well, pretty much overtly really) alluding to transgender themes, the BBC couldn’t care less really, and banned it for the usual reason ….. not advertising products.

        In the offending part, the song goes ….. “where you drink Champagne and it tastes just like Coca Cola.”

        If the song was to be played at all, the lyrics had to be changed, hence the round trip to change the lyrics to ….. “Cherry Cola”. Remove all the singles from the shops, repress a whole new Single, and then re-release it.

        Okay, the lesson I learned about album releases here in Oz.

        When the LP vinyl pressings were made, the make a few Masters of the ‘die’ for the album. These are released on the same day. A copy of the Die is then flown to Australia, and goes to the Record Label. They then press out however many of the vinyls from this Master die, and when finished, they are then distributed to stores Australia wide for release on the named day. Hence the time difference (well, in those days anyway, sometimes many weeks after the song was a ‘Monster’ in the UK)

        So, the LP vinyl edition had that Master die already flown out here to Oz before the BBC kerfuffle about the banning.

        And hey, how would a band be certain to have a million seller. Simples! Just have the song banned by the BBC, dead set cert to sell a motza.

        Hence the Album version of the song had the wording ….. Coca Cola still in the lyrics.

        Great album and cover artwork, but awful title ….. Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Part One

        Tony.

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          Chad

          Tony, did you catch the SBS doco last week ,..“ The 9 lives of Ozzie Osbourne”..
          A very interesting history of a key character in 60/70s music scene.
          It sheds a very different light on the man and his life compared to more recent TV exposure.
          A classic story of a boy playing in the bomb craters of 1950s Birmingham to the Beverly Hills Rock icon.

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            Ah yes, Black Sabbath.

            In fact, I did actually buy one of their albums, Vol. 4, and I bought it for just the one song on the album.

            It’s amazing how different people perceive different bands. I just couldn’t stand Osbourne as the vocalist, in the same manner as I just could not stand Peter Garrett as the vocalist of Midnight Oil.

            So, both bands, (in my perception) share a link. I absolutely love that song from Vol.4 titled Laguna Sunrise.

            I also absolutely love Midnight Oil’s song Wedding Cake Island. (and I had to search long and hard to find that one as it never went to an album, and the only recording of it is on the quirky Bird Noises EP CD, a rarity in itself)

            So, the reason I like both of those particular songs (and the link they both share) is that they are both Instrumentals, and neither singer of either band sings one word on those two absolutely beautiful pieces of music.

            Tony.

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        yarpos

        Go Set? just stop it Tony, you are bringing a tear to my eye 🙂

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    David Maddison

    As Australia’s electricity supply becomes increasingly unstable as power stations continue to shut down, just consider:

    How much emergency generation do hospitals have? No more than 24 or 48hrs.

    With an almost cashless economy you won’t be able to buy anything from darkened shops.

    Supermarket refrigeration will fail unless they have emergency generators and how long will they last?

    How many petrol/gas stations have emergency generators? Probably not many. You won’t be able to buy petrol or diesel for your own generator and won’t be able to pay without cash.

    Cell phone towers only have a few hours of battery life. How will you call for fire, ambulance and police in an emergency?

    Traffic lights will fail, there will be traffic chaos and grid lock.

    There will be chaos at airports.

    There will be many additional calamities.

    It is not going to end well.

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      David Maddison

      I’d be willing to bet that Canberra hospitals designed to service politicians and senior public serpents have substantial reserve generator capacity, much more than the usual 24 to 48 hrs.

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      CO2 Lover

      The Zombie Apocalypse will no longer be required.

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      RickWill

      as power stations continue to shut down

      The brakes have been applied on this one.
      https://www.world-energy.org/article/41998.html

      The New South Wales government will announce within days it will extend the operations of Australia’s biggest coal-fired power station for as long as four years.

      The decision involves provide taxpayer subsidies to Origin Energy’s Eraring power station for two years with permits to run for two more, according to several people who have been briefed on the plans.

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        CO2 Lover

        The only politician dumber than Chris Bowen – Matt Kean had an opinion piece in The Weekend Australian saying that this move was unnecessary because of “his” Waratah Super Battery

        To ensure NSW continues to have reliable energy supply following the anticipated closure of the Eraring Power Station in 2025, the NSW Government is delivering the Waratah Super Battery (WSB) project.

        This battery runs for two hours at its rated capacity before needing to be recharged!

        Talk about the idiots being in charge of the asylum.

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        yarpos

        delay to somewhere neatly over the election cycle so its not a topic

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      another ian

      Recently we had a regional blackout and when the main regional hospital went to back-up power “the set didn’t seem to wanna”.

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    Ronin

    “Cell phone towers only have a few hours of battery life. How will you call for fire, ambulance and police in an emergency?”

    I have had a look through a couple of the old landline telephone exchanges and they all had a Lister autostart generator battery charger setup to keep the 48v battery bank charged for up to a week without refuelling.

    With a cashless economy, they will have total control over us.

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      Bruce

      But, with many areas getting their “land-line’ phone via the dreads NBN and the dodgy modem, if you lose mains power, you lose ALL hour data and phone services. The “shoe-phone” will last as long as the charge in the battery or until the repeater towers run out of “backup power”. Even if you have a solar-powered phone charger, the “system” will rapidly collapse. Without enough repeaters / towers, the whole rock-show falls over.

      Fibre? What does anyone think powers the lasers, hubs / nodes, interfaces, etc.?

      And, because the entire network talks to itself, each repeater that shuts down will cause an in creasing amount of “drop-out” in the system

      NO “utility”, (phones, electricity, water, sewerage, etc,) in this country is properly “hardened”; intentionally.

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        Ronin

        “NO “utility”, (phones, electricity, water, sewerage, etc,) in this country is properly “hardened”; intentionally.”

        I do know of two sewer pit pumps that are fitted with backup diesel gensets in Brisbane, probably as a result of complaints of contamination of nearby wetlands, that’s about it though.

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        another ian

        Back some years in a big flood we had landline and the property CB radio network. Mobiles if you drove to the nearest big hill and could contact the next tower.

        The landline is DRCS – (Digital Radio Concentrator System) which links each property to the main transmit/receive centre. For the moment but it is old tech.

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      yarpos

      as a pup I used to maintain that stuff.

      We did have a memorable occasion when we had a real power outage and the diesel starter just went click, instead of vroom. Apparently the aversion to battery acid on the trainee techs Levis, meant that instead of actually measuring specific gravity of the starter battery acid, they just put in some good looking numbers that matched earlier readings.

      As the batteries slowly died pushing out 4000-5000A a very rapid trip was made to the local tyre services to purchase assorted 12V car batteries to cobble together something that worked. Happily they got it running and reports didnt have to be written. It was in a large main exchange in inner western Sydney so the impact would have been rather epic given the nature of the network in those days.

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    Ronin

    Speaking of electricity, I got an ABC news update on my phone yesterday saying the ‘demand pricing’ is coming, being it was their abc I thought yeah right, so I looked on the Energex site (QLD) and lo and behold there it is, demand pricing is coming, all Australian homes will have smart meters fitted by the end of the decade.
    Look up ‘demand pricing’, it will shock you, the large industrial site I used to work at had it, basically they take a snapshot of your power usage usually during peak demand, it is then extrapolated for the whole month and is an addition to your metered usage.

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    Ian George

    Commented on a topic on FB re hotter weather wold damage the army bases in northern Australia. Put this link to NASA GISS to show high temps prior to 1950. When I posted and tried to open the link below, it said ‘Access denied’. Is FB now cancelling data under so-called misinformation?
    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/stdata_show_v2.cgi?id=501941200004&dt=1&ds=1

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    David Maddison

    Conservative YouTuber Granniopteryx talks about BBC’s use of red, orange and yellow in their weather maps to indicate “extreme heat” like 13-20C (55-68F).

    https://youtu.be/-zuujfCuT8k

    Note, if you subscribe to her, make sure you check that you remain subscribed. As with many conservatives, YT unsubscribe people from conservatives without their knowledge.

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      Ronin

      Is she the same lady who told folk how to sabotage those stupid ULEZ cameras. ?

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      CO2 Lover

      Mad dogs and Englishmen
      Go out in the midday sun,
      The Japanese don’t care to.
      The Chinese wouldn’t dare to,
      Hindoos and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one.
      But Englishmen detest a siesta.
      In the Philippines
      There are lovely screens
      To protect you from the glare.
      In the Malay States
      There are hats like plates
      Which the Britishers won’t wear.
      At twelve noon
      The natives swoon
      And no further work is done.
      But mad dogs and Englishmen
      Go out in the midday sun.

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    Custer Van Cleef

    Any concern out there about Azo dyes? They’re not all hazardous but the ones that are, I don’t want near my skin.

    In 2014, the Australian Govt actually prodded retailers to recall some jeans, underwear etc. because of “hazardous azo dyes”. When was the last time that happened?
    Anyway, I ceased to worry about azos after reading some websites: all the big clothing manufacturers would put up their own page on ‘Sustainability’ where they like to do some “green washing” cos they sniff a buck in it. What else can I do? If they say they put strictures on their suppliers, to keep out toxic dyes, I have to trust them — I’m not going to start making my own clothes from scratch.

    But, dammit, the issue is back on the table for me because I’ve noticed garments for sale boasting of being made from “recycled cotton” or polyester. (More green-washing for the suckers.)
    1. How can we be assured the recycled cotton doesn’t include older fabric from the days BEFORE azo dyes were restricted?

    2. They don’t tell you that the cotton fibres are SHORTER hence the garment is less robust and it’ll wear out sooner. Is this trend really being ‘green’ in the long run? Creating more waste at a faster rate? I guess the Fast Fashion addicts don’t care.

    Strangely, neither the “recycled” tags nor the Care Labels mention these points.

    (Phthalates are/were a problem too.)

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      Leo G

      Any concern out there about Azo dyes?

      In the late 1990s a truckload of newspaper printing pigment materials caught fire outside a primary school in Northern Sydney and 700 schoolkids were fumigated with di-azo pigments (including Toluidine Red) and other pigments (lead chromate/sulphate).

      About 2 tonnes of the pigments were dispersed in the school grounds and the school was closed for a month for decontamination.

      Many of the red-stained children presented to hospitals in the area for health checks, but there has not been any report of serious adverse effects- except parental anxiety.

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    Can anyone come up with a reason for the SE Asian scorching last week or so? Mid to high 40’s from Philippines to South India. I cant see anything apart from not much wind? 10 degrees higher than the last couple of years. India’s always hot pre monsoon. Maybe something to do with El Nino to La Nina change? The air pressure is normal – medium high.

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      CO2 Lover

      “Peter Dutton”

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      el+gordo

      The Hunga Tonga Hunga eruption is my guess for the temperature spike in South East Asia.

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      CO2 Lover

      A butterfly flapped its wings in the Amazon rainforest.

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      another ian

      Rudyard Kipling –

      IIRC

      The friendship of friends, the love of your wife or a new piano’s tune

      In which of those would you put your trust at the end of an Indian June?”

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        TdeF

        India is entirely reliant on the Monsoons which follow the scorching heat. One does not exist without the other.

        North Africa used to be the same, the bread bowl of Rome. Before then it used to lush jungle. Now it is just desert with bones.

        It is cool weather which means no evaporation which means no rain. People should welcome the heat or risk the desert. For those in temperate zones this is painted as a Climate Change disaster but a cool world would be a desert world.

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      MrGrimNasty

      The claimed Myanmar new record is only a tiny fraction above Mandalay 48.0 °C (118.4 °F) on 24 April 1975 – this was considered reliable but references now seem hard to find. Also 51C in May and 52C in August elsewhere in Myanmar in 80s and 90s, but difficult to verify.

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    John Connor II

    Vaccine Refusers Must Be Treated With Psychiatric Drugs Claims College of Physicians and Surgeons

    The College of Physicians and Surgeons in Ontario has proposed a mandate to provide psychiatric drug treatment for those who refuse mRNA injections or vaccinations.

    In a recent communication to its members, the medical College advised Canadian physicians to view the unvaccinated as individuals with “mental problems” and recommended administering psychiatric medication to them.

    “The college sent out a letter or a memo to all the doctors in Ontario,” explained oncologist Dr. William Makis, “saying that their unvaccinated patients should be considered having a mental problem and they should be put on psychiatric medication.

    https://twitter.com/iluminatibot/status/1786257696196558925

    Butchers and sociopaths daring to call US mentally ill?

    Meanwhile:
    Shocking Exclusive: Breaking: European medical agencies data has been obtained and the results of what have been exposed are truly shocking.

    The Globalists went after the babies and after vaccinating them, hundreds of vaccine injuries were reported immediately across the EU, but still they hid and suppressed this shocking information.

    https://twitter.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1786799061372133725

    But wait, there’s more

    Exclusive Breaking: Dutch Government Data hacked and startling amount of Covid adverse reactions obtained.

    Astounding amount of data obtained. Millions of records now seen.

    There is a massive attempted coverup not only by the Government in Holland but in every nation that has been infiltrated by Globalists.

    Excess Deaths are exploding but there is a wall of silence from our respective Governments.

    https://twitter.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1780143132832641333

    Do I see a tsunami of pollies resigning, along with doctors and health experts, before they’re all put up against a wall?

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      CO2 Lover

      Vaccine Refusers Must Be Treated With Psychiatric Drugs Claims College of Physicians and Surgeons

      Where is the Pychiatric Drug treatment for XY males who believe they are XX females? Or the XY males who want the “Barbie Doll” operation?

      I must be missing something!

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      KP

      Must be a solid contract the manufacturers had the Govts sign. A total non-disclosure of any injuries or deaths, no discussions of liability or testing not performed, the list goes on and on.

      I thought we were all being treated with psycho drugs these days, they put it in the water.

      Speaking of which, a guy running around stabbing people was shot dead by a cop in WA today, but rest easy, he may have been radicalised online but its not a terrorist action. The most important message the Police want to get out there is that he was ‘radicalised online’, and then here comes the clamp down on the internet..

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    CO2 Lover

    Moderna Posts $1.2 Billion Loss as Demand For COVID Jab Collapses, Promises Investors ‘Next-Generation’ Vaccine to Tackle New Strains

    Preparations for the next plandemic now underway

    “To seek the truth – always follow the money trail”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/moderna-posts-1-2-billion-loss-as-demand/

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    another ian

    Courier Mail Brisbane on line headline –

    (Behind the Murdoch wall to me)

    “Unprecidented calls to sack CHO over bombshell claims of “Let it rip” covid approach”

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Climate Crisis Inc. Takes a Hit”

    ” Author’s Comment:

    And it is about time, too! If you are a U.S. citizen, your taxes, which could have been put to some good use, have been being wasted defending this case, and others similar to it, all being financed and co-coordinated by Climate Crisis Inc..

    Do Read the piece at The Breakthrough Institute: The Climate Industry’s Misdirection Campaign by Jessica Weinkle.

    Thanks for reading.”

    Link in text

    Via

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/04/climate-crisis-inc-takes-a-hit/

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    OldOzzie

    Hello Muddah, hello Faddah,

    I’ve joined my college Intifada

    I am calling from Hamas-dah

    Where all these KKeffiyehed Kids say we’re rioting for Gaza.

    Now I don’t want that this should scare you,

    But my roommate wants to kill Jews.

    He’s so angry – it’s kinda crazy,

    It’d be really scary if he wasn’t so damned lazy.

    Normies object, the mob surrounds them.

    We charge some buildings, we occupy them.

    We break some windows, scare some geezers.

    Then call an order in for vegan snacks and tweezers.

    Flags come down poles, flags go up poles.

    It’s like they’re so bored they can’t see they’re just big a**holes.

    All the chanting, and all that yelling!

    Makes me think these masks do more than filter smelling.

    Gotta go now, no more ramblin’,

    The KKeffiyehed Kids are doin’ some kind of scramblin’.

    So many cops here, they’ve come in coaches,

    Fearless Intifada fighters bugger out like roaches.

    Tuition dollars are being well-spent

    Funding this soulless Klan of terrorists that Hell sent.

    I’m in good hands, please don’t worry,

    (Read my blinking eyes and tell Nat Guard to hurry!)

    ~ Beege (with apologies to Allan Sherman)

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    RealWorld

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Impact-of-the-astronomical-lunar-18.6-yr-tidal-on-Yasuda/5e2403b08805e63e12dcafb5f560d823cdad0d5b

    Found this study on the 18.6yr moon cycle and correlations to elnino and lanina years I thought was interesting ( if you go the supplements there’s a table dating back to 1700’s ) I can’t seem to be able to paste it here
    In a quick discussion with Jennifer Maharosy she thought that the moon played a big role in elnino cycles
    Of course nowadays Co2 is the only thing that effects climate ( as soon as they learn to tax the moon they might give this theory some air 😆 )

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “The toppling of the woke authoritarians

    From Scotland to New Zealand to Canada, politicians are on a collision course with the public.”

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/05/03/the-toppling-of-the-woke-authoritarians/

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    another ian

    “The High Price of Climate Alarm”

    “It is with no small amount of pleasure that I found a media outlet acknowledging President Joe Biden’s energy and climate policies have increased American’s energy costs. The Dallas Express, a local online alternative news outlet, published a story titled “Energy Prices 30% Higher Under Biden Admin.” Unlike so much of the mainstream media, The Dallas Express didn’t expend ink trying to explain how consumers really don’t realize that the economy and their lives are better despite the higher prices, or that the costs Biden and company have added to peoples’ power bills are justified as a means of fighting climate change. Rather, the Express took a Joe Friday, “just the facts” approach, explaining:

    Energy prices in the United States are wreaking havoc on budget-sensitive households, making it harder for families to save money or get ahead financially.”

    More at

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/04/climate-change-weekly-505-the-high-price-of-climate-alarm/

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    TwiggyTheHero

    Climate Champion, Twiggy, is angry that the Biden administration will only provide hydrogen subsidies if you use renewable energy sources. Twiggy was planning on using cheap coal powered energy from the grid to receive green hydrogen subsidies in the States LOL Looks like his plans have backfired once again!

    Fortescue chairman Andrew Forrest has slammed the Biden administration’s proposed hydrogen subsidy regime as the company begins work on a production plant in the US, saying rules that may limit Fortescue’s access to government cash have been made at the behest of the fossil fuel industry. Earlier this year the US Treasury Department released draft details of its proposed rules for production credits supporting the development of the nascent green hydrogen industry in the country, including a requirement that companies must match each hour of production to an hour of renewable power generation and consumption to be eligible. Designed to ensure that energy derived from fossil fuel sources powering local grids can’t be used to claim green hydrogen subsidies, the draft ruling would mean that producers switch off hydrogen production when wind, solar power or hydro power are unavailable. “I support the Biden Administration’s goal to produce hydrogen in a way that prioritises sustainability. However, 45V, in its current form, is a straitjacket on the industry and works against the Biden administration’s own climate goals,” he said.

    Of course, he blames the fossil fuel companies for this subsidy requirement.

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